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<p>Hi Marcel,</p>
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<p>just two notes from my side, but no clear opinion here. :-)</p>
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<p>> <span>I assume that the user can spare those extra megs on disk while working.</span></p>
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<p><span>On my main machine, I have 233 .image files with 28 GB in total. So maybe "those extra megs" could indeed be relevant ... But I did not do a rough calculation. :-)</span></p>
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<p><span>> <span>Which server images save on a regular basis? :-D</span></span></p>
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<p><span><span>The image for <a href="https://t.me/SqueakSmalltalkBot" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk531037" previewremoved="true">
https://t.me/SqueakSmalltalkBot</a> does, once in ten minutes. Will this increase the wear and tear of my raspi's SD card? :-) To be honest, I would prefer it if "Smalltalk snapshot: ... andQuit: ..." would support the server use case out-of-the-box, too, without
extra scripting. But if we are only talking about a few kilobytes here, I don't mind. :-)</span></span></p>
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<p><span><span>Best,</span></span></p>
<p><span><span>Christoph</span></span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 16. Februar 2022 17:26:38<br>
<b>An:</b> squeak-dev<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] The Trunk: Graphics-mt.482.mcz</font>
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<div>> <span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">The problem here is image file bloating</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">I know. Is this a problem? I assume that the user can spare those extra megs on disk while working. Yet, it is annoying to get a stuttering system after snapshotting, which might even
encourage people to not save that often.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">> </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px"> </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">It should start ok
but might be a problem for server cases where startup time is important?</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">Which server images save on a regular basis? :-D You can always call "Form shutdown: true" and "TTCFont shutdown: true" in your server scripts directly before snapshotting ... I assume
that servers have such scripts anyway and those two extra lines wouldn't hurt...</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">Best,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 13px">Marcel</span></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 14.02.2022 18:29:21 schrieb tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.org>:</p>
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> On 2022-02-14, at 8:43 AM, Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>wrote:<br>
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> Please report whether I am overlooking something here... It was kind of annoying that my entire TrueType cache was gone after just saving the image and keep on working.<br>
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The problem here is image file bloating; the hibernation is intended to save (quite a bit of) space in the image file. If we only hibernate when save&quitting then we will see patterns in the snapshot file size like
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(quit) 101mb<br>
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.. which maybe wouldn't bother anyone, maybe would annoy some?<br>
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Also, a few save-no-quits followed by a damn-I-broke-it-quit-no-save would lave the large file as the one you have to start up. It should start ok but might be a problem for server cases where startup time is important?<br>
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High-tech-insane solution - use DTL's spawn-an-image and have that image do the hibernate & save! Couldn't possibly go wrong...<br>
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