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Hi Jaromir --<div><br></div><div>Also see SmalltalkImage >> #vmVMMakerVersion, which you can use to at least report to the user that they should update their VM. For example in the postload script.</div><div><br></div><div>For an example, see:</div><div><a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2020-July/210784.html"><span style="font-size: 10pt">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2020-July/210784.html</span></a><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt">Smalltalk vmVMMakerVersion < 2778 ifTrue:<br> [Warning signal: ''This virtual machine is too old to support correct versions of the FloatArray>>at:[put:] primitives 238 and 239. FloatArray subclasses will not behave correctly and FloatArray[64]Test tests will fail. Please upgrade your VM. You may continue and upgrade later or abort and upgrade now.'']</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt">Checking for </span><span style="font-size: 13.3333px">3154 should be sufficient to have primitives 568 and 578:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2022-February/037617.html</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 13.3333px">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2022-February/037615.html</span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt">Best,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt">Marcel</span></div><div class="mb_sig"></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 18.05.2022 17:04:45 schrieb Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div id="__MailbirdStyleContent" style="font-size: 10pt;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;text-align: left" dir="ltr">
Hi Jaromir --<div><br></div><div>Since we are talking about what to put into Squeak 6.0, which has already the new VM, "old VM + new image" is not a concern here. People that are still using an old VM with a recent Trunk VM can easily update to the new VM.</div><div><br></div><div>"new VM + old image" is important because backwards compatibility matters.</div><div>"old VM + new image" is not a concern because</div><div> a) release images have new VM bundled</div><div> b) even old images can have new VM bundled (e.g., Squeak 5.3)</div><div><br></div><div>So one could even backport this to Squeak 5.3. But that's not important right now. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Marcel</div><div class="mb_sig"></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 18.05.2022 16:19:15 schrieb Jaromir Matas <mail@jaromir.net>:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
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Yes, there is still time to merge Jaromir's process suspend/terminate fixes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As we discussed in the other thread: a decision needs to be made as for the 'extent' of the backward compatibility of the revised #suspend semantics (whether just 'new VM + old image' compatibility or also keep 'old VM + new image' compatibility
which is more complex and I'm not in a position to tell it could be worth for some apps or users) - once the decision is made I'll be happy to put together a summary changeset for your convenience.</p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#333333;font-weight:normal">JaromÃr Matas</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#555555"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de">Marcel Taeumel</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 18, 2022 15:34<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[squeak-dev] We are in FEATURE FREEZE -- Re: [PSA] Squeak 6.0 | The Dates</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Yes, there is still time to merge Jaromir's process suspend/terminate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">P.S.: "Squeak Objectland" is still not off the table. I will take another look<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">at it after returning from California on May 27th.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 06.05.2022 11:52:56 schrieb Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 02.05.2022 11:26:01 schrieb Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: #AAAAAA">Am 25.04.2022 09:58:29 schrieb Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"> - Unload 60Deprecated via postload-script<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black"> ! Discuss the critical ones via Inbox as usual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">Marcel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family: "Arial",sans-serif;color: black">P.S.: Here is the previous info on the release planning: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2022-March/219520.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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