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<p>Hi Marcel,</p>
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<p>that's a fair point. We could still just display a notice in the dialog without a button for switching the update stream, maybe this:</p>
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<div>Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to [download](<a href="https://squeak.org/downloads/" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk272582" previewremoved="true">https://squeak.org/downloads/</a>)).</div>
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What do you think about this? :-)
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<p>Best,</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2022 10:56:09<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)</font>
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<div>As soon as we make switching update streams easier and more discoverable, we might get a new kind of support requests for arbitrary combinations such as "I cannot update 5.1 to 6.0 or Trunk" and so on.</div>
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<div>In general, we cannot guarantee an easy migration from some older Squeak version to a newer one. It remains experimental. Biggest reason for that is that there will be versions missing between some release repository and another or the latest Trunk, where
actually a specific point in the Trunk update stream should be started with.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Marcel</div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 29.09.2022 09:27:28 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:</p>
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<p>This could fit well into <span>SystemVersion>>#description. Could we also promote new versions there, e.g., if you update a Squeak 5.3 image, say something like:</span></p>
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<p><span>Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to upgrade). You can also upgrade to the latest Trunk (bleeding edge, click here).</span></p>
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<p><span>Wdyt?</span></p>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 29. September 2022 06:48:12<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)</span>
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<div>Please add a warning that Trunk is bleeding edge, that the image can and will break. But it is still fun for the most part :-D</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:45 AM Jaromir Matas <<a href="mailto:mail@jaromir.net">mail@jaromir.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> Now that you mention it, this is easy to overlook and I wonder how<br>
many new users even know that the trunk stream is available to them?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click". <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1, very much agree with Dave… I had no idea about a trunk. I would have appreciated such convenience/encouragement to switch to the trunk when started :)<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:rgb(46,117,182)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:asqueaker@gmail.com" target="_blank">Chris Muller</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, September 28, 2022 23:35<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click". Whatever UI approach is chosen to expose it better, please ensure the action ends up also ensuring whichever one is
switched to (trunk) is the top HTTP repository in each MCWorkingCopy, so that the revisions will be ready to go as well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 2:48 PM tim Rowledge <<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org" target="_blank">tim@rowledge.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.2in">In the default downloaded state it shows the Url as '<a href="http://source.squeak.org/squeak60'.%20If%20we%20added%20a%20button%20'update%20from%20trunk%20from%20now%20on" target="_blank">http://source.squeak.org/squeak60'.
If we added a button 'update from trunk from now on</a>' this would be reasonably obvious and very easy to use.<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 2022-09-28, at 12:04 PM, Thiede, Christoph <<a href="mailto:Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni" target="_blank">Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni</a>-<a href="http://potsdam.de" target="_blank">potsdam.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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I would deem an extra pop-up too intrusive. Probably many people use a stable release image deliberately and only want to receive backported patches for that. But maybe we could add a short note into the Transcript or the "updated completed" dialog?<u></u><u></u></p>
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Strange OpCodes: RSC: Rewind System Clock<u></u><u></u></p>
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