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<p>I was not suggesting recommending a migration path from an older image to the latest trunk. But we could just let users who have just updated their Squeak 5.2 image know: There is a newer release. You can go to squeak.org/downloads and get a newer image
there. This would not introduce any migration problems, and I am with Tim that one or two additional lines in an existing dialog would not cause significant irritation in any users.</p>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Christoph</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>Von:</b> Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2022 14:51:31<br>
<b>An:</b> squeak-dev<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)</font>
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I mean, a single line "there is a new version available" might suggest that your current configuration and project might run better than before. I we can only try to make this true for a specific update stream. It might be a hassle when migrating your image
from, say, 5.2 to 6.0. Especially since the migration scripts, which we maintain in the Trunk stream, are missing in the release repositories.
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<div>Best,</div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 12.10.2022 19:03:58 schrieb tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.org>:</p>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">There's a bit of a difference between "there is a new version you might like to download" and "Windows eleventy-twelve version umpty-grump is going to install itself unless you hit the moving single pixel
target twice in the next 0.0001 seconds, and by the way it will lock your machine for the next 5 min... wait, no 17, no, 5 hour.. no wait 3 months" :-)<br>
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> On 2022-10-12, at 2:10 AM, Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel@hpi.de>wrote:<br>
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> Well, I don't like that Windows 10 bugs me about updating to Windows 11 ... so ... not a fan of this proposal. ;-)<br>
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> Best,<br>
> Marcel<br>
>> Am 11.10.2022 13:17:28 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
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>> Hi Marcel,<br>
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>> that's a fair point. We could still just display a notice in the dialog without a button for switching the update stream, maybe this:<br>
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>> Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to [download](https://squeak.org/downloads/)).<br>
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>> What do you think about this? :-)<br>
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>> Best,<br>
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>> Christoph<br>
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>> Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org>im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel<br>
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2022 10:56:09<br>
>> An: squeak-dev<br>
>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all --<br>
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>> As soon as we make switching update streams easier and more discoverable, we might get a new kind of support requests for arbitrary combinations such as "I cannot update 5.1 to 6.0 or Trunk" and so on.<br>
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>> In general, we cannot guarantee an easy migration from some older Squeak version to a newer one. It remains experimental. Biggest reason for that is that there will be versions missing between some release repository and another or the latest Trunk, where
actually a specific point in the Trunk update stream should be started with.<br>
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>> Best,<br>
>> Marcel<br>
>>> Am 29.09.2022 09:27:28 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
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>>> This could fit well into SystemVersion>>#description. Could we also promote new versions there, e.g., if you update a Squeak 5.3 image, say something like:<br>
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>>> Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to upgrade). You can also upgrade to the latest Trunk (bleeding edge, click here).<br>
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>>> Wdyt?<br>
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>>> Best,<br>
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>>> Christoph<br>
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>>> Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org>im Auftrag von karl ramberg
<karlramberg@gmail.com><br>
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. September 2022 06:48:12<br>
>>> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
>>> Cc: ma.chris.m@gmail.com<br>
>>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)<br>
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>>> Please add a warning that Trunk is bleeding edge, that the image can and will break. But it is still fun for the most part :-D<br>
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>>> Best,<br>
>>> Karl<br>
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>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:45 AM Jaromir Matas <mail@jaromir.net>wrote:<br>
>>> >> Now that you mention it, this is easy to overlook and I wonder how<br>
>>> many new users even know that the trunk stream is available to them?<br>
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>>> > I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click".
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>>> +1, very much agree with Dave… I had no idea about a trunk. I would have appreciated such convenience/encouragement to switch to the trunk when started :)<br>
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>>> Jaromir<br>
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>>> From: Chris Muller<br>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 23:35<br>
>>> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)<br>
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>>> I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click". Whatever UI approach is chosen to expose it better, please ensure the action ends up also ensuring whichever one is switched to (trunk)
is the top HTTP repository in each MCWorkingCopy, so that the revisions will be ready to go as well.<br>
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>>> - Chris<br>
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>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 2:48 PM tim Rowledge <tim@rowledge.org>wrote:<br>
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>>> Dave is suggesting another option in the menu, not a pop-up thing.<br>
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>>> I'd also consider making it part of the dialogue that already pops up at the end of an update -
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>>> In the default downloaded state it shows the Url as 'http://source.squeak.org/squeak60'. If we added a button 'update from trunk from now on' this would be reasonably obvious and very easy to use.<br>
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>>> On 2022-09-28, at 12:04 PM, Thiede, Christoph <christoph.thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
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>>> I would deem an extra pop-up too intrusive. Probably many people use a stable release image deliberately and only want to receive backported patches for that. But maybe we could add a short note into the Transcript or the "updated completed" dialog?<br>
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>>> tim<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> tim Rowledge; tim@rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim<br>
>>> Strange OpCodes: RSC: Rewind System Clock<br>
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"How many Teela Browns does it take to change a lightbulb?” <br>
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