<div>A small followup<br></div><div><br></div><div>Lots of the thinking about FOSS comes with a US bias, in particular a US legal system bias.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>An example from France recently<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://thehftguy.com/2020/09/15/french-judge-rules-gpl-license-to-be-inapplicable-in-french-copyright-court/">https://thehftguy.com/2020/09/15/french-judge-rules-gpl-license-to-be-inapplicable-in-french-copyright-court/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I was going to summarise it but then realised that I would basically have to re-type the article.  If you are interested in how these US concepts transfer into other legal systems it is an interesting read.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If this is uninteresting do not click the link.<br></div><div><br></div><div>cheers<br></div><div><br></div><div>bruce<br></div><div><br></div><div ><br></div><div class="ik_mail_quote answerContentMessage" ><div>On 2022-12-26T11:08:41.000+01:00, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch> wrote:</div><blockquote class="ws-ng-quote"><div class="ws-ng-mail-style--533050eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div>HI,<br></div><div><br></div><div>While not a detailed discussion of FOSS licensing, there are lots of interesting bits in this Strange Loop 2022 talk.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9IqwIovdiA&list=PLcGKfGEEONaDO2dvGEdodnqG5cSnZ96W1&index=16" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9IqwIovdiA&list=PLcGKfGEEONaDO2dvGEdodnqG5cSnZ96W1&index=16</a><br></div><div><br></div><h1 style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-size-adjust:auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;background-color:transparent;word-break:break-word;font-family:"YouTube Sans", Roboto, sans-serif;font-size:2rem;font-weight:600;overflow:hidden;max-height:5.6rem;-webkit-line-clamp:2;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;text-overflow:ellipsis;caret-color:rgb(15, 15, 15);color:rgb(15, 15, 15);" class="">"Remember When We Broke the Internet?" by Julia Ferraioli and Amanda Casari (Strange Loop 2022)<br></h1><div><br></div><div>Lots of places have dual licensing arrangements where the OSI version is free, but if you want or need support or extra (nice) features you pay.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://posit.co" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://posit.co</a> (RStudio renamed themselves, Never a good sign.)<br></div><div>Labkey with a .org for the free version and a .com for the not free version.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If what you want is just to let people use your code freely then <br></div><h2 style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-size-adjust:auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration:none;box-sizing:inherit;font-family:"source sans pro", sans-serif;font-weight:700;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(255, 255, 255);margin:0px;font-size:2em;clear:both;text-rendering:optimizeLegibility;padding:0px;caret-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);text-align:center;"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;display:inline-block;" class="">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</span></h2><pre style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px;-webkit-text-size-adjust:auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width:0px;text-decoration:none;caret-color:rgb(0, 0, 0);color:rgb(0, 0, 0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap;">Name: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 4.0 International License
Abbrev: CC BY-NC-ND 4.0
FSF: non_free (<a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#CC-BY-NC" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#CC-BY-NC</a>)
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FOSS: no
Extensible: yes
Restricts_use: yes<br></pre><div>might cover what you want.<br></div><div><br></div><div>More, way way more examples, on the R Licensing page.<br></div><div><br></div><div><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://svn.r-project.org/R/trunk/share/licenses/license.db" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://svn.r-project.org/R/trunk/share/licenses/license.db</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Another example is <br></div><div><br></div><div><a class="defaultMailLink" href="https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7687/what-non-commercial-license-is-that" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" data-ik="ik-secure">https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/7687/what-non-commercial-license-is-that</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>which is a somewhat typical license that comes out of an European University.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a very deep subject that burns infinite time.  Non-commercial is a bit vague.  I work for a big company but we do basic research.  Is that commercial?  Or no?  *I* have taken the position that it is commercial, but, others do not.<br></div><div><br></div><div>cheers<br></div><div><br></div><div>bruce</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

<hr></div><div class="ik_mail_quote-533050eJzz9HPyjwAABGYBgQ"><div>On 2022-12-26T10:09:31.000+01:00, rabbit <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:rabbit@callistohouse.org">rabbit@callistohouse.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class=""><div class="">Thank you. Yes, indeed. That’s fine, a non-free license that allows free-use under conditions is fine. Do you know of such a license? 🐰<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">•••<br>𝙄𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙙𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖 𝙋𝙤𝙧𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙚, 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙠 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙛𝙤𝙧 </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">𝙢𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙨𝙖𝙛𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨! </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><b><i>Arrivederci, rabbit • D</i></b>𝙖𝙩𝙨𝙪𝙣 </span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">𝟮𝟰𝟬</span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">𝙕 • </span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">🐰</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 26, 2022, at 04:01, David O'Toole <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:deeteeoh1138@gmail.com">deeteeoh1138@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><hr></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I think the Free Software definition requires that the user have the freedom to use the software for any purpose, including commercial. I am not a lawyer, but I have understood this to imply that restricting commercial use would make the license a non-Free one.<br></div><br><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 11:31 PM rabbit <<a class="defaultMailLink" href="mailto:rabbit@callistohouse.org">rabbit@callistohouse.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto">I am unfamiliar with FOSS licensing. Does anyone know about an open source license that allows free use for free software, but requires payment if its uses are for commercial software?<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">•••<br>𝙄𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙙𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖 𝙋𝙤𝙧𝙨𝙘𝙝𝙚, 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙠 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙛𝙤𝙧 </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">𝙢𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙤𝙫𝙚𝙧, 𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙨𝙖𝙛𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙥𝙖𝙨𝙨! </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);"><b><i>Arrivederci, rabbit • D</i></b>𝙖𝙩𝙨𝙪𝙣 </span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">𝟮𝟰𝟬</span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">𝙕 • </span><span style="font-size:17pt;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);">🐰</span></div></div></div><br>
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