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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-02-24 04:02, Marcel Taeumel via
Squeak-dev wrote:<br>
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sans-serif">Well, common sense does. ;-) Unless we make this a
serious discussion considering Pros and Cons, such hasty
thoughts will get us nowhere. From what I have read so far, I
assume, that you have no substantial experience in writing
Morphic applications? I don't know. Sorry, if my conclusion
offended you. Your kind of shallow call just triggered
something... :-/</span></div>
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<p>Perhaps I wasn't/precise clear enough : I never seriously
considered replacing Morphic altogether but we must at least
recognize that Morphic could get a bit cleaner. And the Squeak
image too! The 6.0 Squeak image I'm looking at right now has ***
512 ** Morph subclasses ! Do we need all that stuff? I guess not.
If at least we could unload packages in a *clean* manner, it would
make things easier for everyone and facilitate building smaller
runtime images. <br>
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<p>I get the idea of "basic Squeak" versus "Squeak with EVERYTHING
it has to offer" but from a user perspective, having 512
subclasses of Morph can be overwhelming. On the other hand, if
it's not in the image, how can a user easily find that a
particular morph is available and exists in a certain
repository/package? If Squeak comes loaded with EVERYTHING in the
image, we should at least provide an *easy* way to unload what we
don't need/want/use : that's not the case right now.</p>
<p>Have you tried unloading EToys just for the fun of it? It should
be a one click or a one-liner thing but it needs its own page of
instructions on the wiki (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2848">https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2848</a>).
One could hear the complaints against Morphic from Cuis &
Pharo and honestly recognize that there is/was a problem. Why
can't we even *suggest* such a thing in Squeak without being
attacked on the mailing list?<br>
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<p>And no, I'm not offended and your conclusion/assumption was
right: my Morphic experience is limited<br>
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dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif">Maybe because us frequent users of Squeak/Morphic
have already realized that both Cuis and Pollock are just
different and not inherently better? Well, I don't know about
Pollock. Cuis has different goals, backwards compatibility may
not be among its most important ones.</span></div>
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<p>I think we can say goodbye to portability. Backwards
compatibility (from one Squeak version to another) is a totally
different thing though.<br>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's
not that difficult to come up with something different. The
first weeks might be even fun. After that, you figure out
all the corner cases and start arguing about compatibility
and finding balance within the existing community. It is
hard work. It is easy to ignore this fact in the beginning.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Best,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Marcel</span></div>
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<p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">Am 24.02.2023
05:47:30 schrieb Benoit St-Jean via Squeak-dev
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org"><squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org></a>:</p>
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<p>Nothing prevents us from replacing Morphic or
redesigning it!</p>
<p>If Juan was able to do it for Cuis and Sam Shuster was
able to design Pollock for VW, what's stopping us from
even considering that option?</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2023-02-23 20:14, Stephen
Travis Pope wrote:<br>
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Sounds like yet another reason to drop morphic, if you
ask me, and go back to good-old MVC…
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<div>On Feb 23, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Vanessa
Freudenberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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<div>Because Morphic is not
multi-thread-clean, you have to be really
careful how to write the do_something to be
reliably executed from a different process.
You have to coordinate with the UI process.
In which case it actually becomes simpler to
just stay in the UI process and use the
mechanisms available.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu,
Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 AM Stephen Travis
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I’ve been watching this thread and
wondering why nobody suggests the
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fork.</div>
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<div>On Feb 22, 2023, at 11:16 AM,
karl ramberg <<a
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Feb 22, 2023 at 8:47 AM
Taeumel, Marcel via
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<div dir="auto">(bm2
future: 1000)
doButtonAction.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Also
works for objects that
are not or cannot be
in the world.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">Uses
Morphic alarms when
when in UI process.</div>
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<div>Ah, that's cool. I
never used #future: :-)</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Karl</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
<div dir="auto">Marcel</div>
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22, 2023 7:17:01 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[squeak-dev] How do
I "sleep 5"?</span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Karl!<br>
Fantastic, thanks!
=)<br>
I added this to
the class in which
I'm putting most
of my stuff,<br>
<br>
!See class
methodsFor: 'as
yet unclassified'
stamp: 'Edrx
2/22/2023 02:54'!<br>
run: aBlock after:
ms<br>
| aButton |<br>
aButton :=
SimpleButtonMorph
new.<br>
aButton
openInWorld;<br>
hide;<br>
target:
aBlock;<br>
actionSelector:
#value;<br>
addAlarm:
#doButtonAction
after: ms.<br>
! !<br>
<br>
and now I can
simply run this<br>
<br>
See run: [ kf :=
self currentHand
keyboardFocus ]
after: 5000.<br>
<br>
to save into the
variable kf the
morph on which the
keyboard focus is<br>
after 5 seconds.
Neat! =)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Eduardo Ochs<br>
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Wed, 22 Feb 2023
at 01:56, karl
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>A morph
has to be in
the world to
be able to
interact with
it; eg.
#openInWorld.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you
don't want to
see the morph
you can send
it message
#hide. It
makes the
morph
invisible but
it's still in
the world and
can interact
with it.<br>
</div>
<div>To see
the morph
again send
#show.</div>
<div>To delete
the morph send
#delete. The
morph will be
garbage
collected.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Karl<br>
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Tue, Feb 21,
2023 at 11:57
PM Eduardo
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
Vanessa!<br>
Thanks! =)
This works in
a workspace,<br>
<br>
"Create a
SimpleSwitchMorph
with label
'Toggle'<br>
and a
SimpleButtonMorph
with label
'Flash'.<br>
The
button will be
placed below
the switch."<br>
<br>
sm :=
SimpleSwitchMorph
new.<br>
sm
openInWorld.<br>
bm :=
SimpleButtonMorph
new.<br>
bm
openInWorld.<br>
bm position:
bm position +
(0@32).<br>
<br>
"Three ways
of toggling
the color of
the switch:"<br>
<br>
sm
toggleState.<br>
<br>
bl := [ sm
toggleState ].<br>
bl value.<br>
<br>
bm target:
bl.<br>
bm
actionSelector:
#value.<br>
bm
doButtonAction.<br>
<br>
"Two ways of
toggling the
switch after
1000ms:"<br>
<br>
sm addAlarm:
#toggleState
after: 1000.<br>
bm addAlarm:
#doButtonAction after: 1000.<br>
<br>
but this
doesn't:<br>
<br>
bm2 :=
SimpleButtonMorph
new.<br>
bm2 target:
bl.<br>
bm2
actionSelector:
#value.<br>
bm2
addAlarm:
#doButtonAction
after: 1000.<br>
<br>
What is the
right way to
add an alarm
to a morph
that is not
shown on<br>
the screen?
Also, can I
create a new
invisible
morph every
time that I<br>
want to run an
alarm? Are
they going to
be garbage
collected?<br>
<br>
Thanks in
advance!<br>
Eduardo
Ochs<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Tue, 21 Feb
2023 at 02:16,
Vanessa
Freudenberg
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<div>The best
way to do this
in Morphic is
with "alarms":</div>
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<div> self
addAlarm:
#changeKeyboardFocus
after: 5000.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>which
would
execute the
morph's
changeKeyboardFocus
method 5
seconds later.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The way
of sleeping
you suggest is
possible too
but more
tricky,
since you
would have to
move your wait
code to an
extra process
to not block
the UI
process, but
then make sure
that the
actual work is
done in the UI
process again
(Morphic is
not
multithreaded,
although
Squeak is).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Vanessa</div>
<br>
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Mon, Feb 20,
2023 at 8:49
PM Eduardo
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
list,<br>
<br>
a few days ago
I asked for
help on how to
send a
"synthetic"
keyboard<br>
event to a
morph, and
Karl Ramberg
gave me
exactly the
right hints in<br>
this thread:<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2023-February/223473.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2023-February/223473.html</a><br>
<br>
My code is
ready except
for
documentation
and comments -
I'll work on<br>
that in the
next few days
and then post
the result
here and on
the<br>
wiki...<br>
<br>
...but there's
a feature that
I want to add
to it that -
again =( -<br>
needs
something that
I'm not being
able to
discover by
myself. How do<br>
I write a line
of code that
waits for 5
seconds, sort
of like
running<br>
"sleep 5" in a
shell, and
that doesn't
block the rest
of the system?<br>
If I have that
I'll be able
to run these
two lines in a
workspace,<br>
<br>
self
mySleep: 5000.<br>
kf := self
currentHand
keyboardFocus.<br>
<br>
switch the
keyboard focus
to something
else by
clicking on
it, and<br>
then the
variable kf
will be set to
this
"something
else"...<br>
<br>
Thanks in
advance!<br>
Eduardo Ochs<br>
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