[Squeakfoundation]Nudge, nudge!

Cees de Groot squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Fri, 11 May 2001 07:57:39 +0200

Joern.Eyrich@brokat.com said:
> But I admit I have difficulties with this chaordic thing (I nearly
> fainted when I read that many organizations take a year or more to go
> through the process...).

Well, organizations are often setup for "eternity". What's a measly year 
compared to that?

> On the other hand, I don't want the Squeak Foundation ...
> * to only be a philosophizing (?) debating club

Neither do I. Nor do I want to quickly throw together a SqF and have us all 
discover that we didn't want /that/ SqF in 6 months. The idea is to do a bit 
of structured thinking work up front (and I think that the Chaordic process 
helps with that) so we can do more useful things later on.

However, it seems that there's not much interest in this process. Which is a 
pity, because it is one of the few ways I know to get all the agendas on the 
table, get an inventory of who are /really/ interested enough to put in some 
work, etcetera. A pessimist would say at this point that SqF can't reckon on 
broad support. An optimist thinks that I simply fail to drive home how 
important a bit of thinking and philosophizing (without reverting to BDUF) is 

Apart from the last two points (about the "small circle" - I'd rather have a 
proxy voting mechanism or something like that in place for decision making) I 
think it's a very useful list of items. However, the /only/ way to give the 
SqF the power of authority to actually pull this through is when either we as 
a community setup a broadly carried SqF through a process like the current 
one, or we sit back and wait for SqC to do so (that is of course what 
basically happened with ApacheF). I think the results will be much better if 
we, as a community, do this.

Anyway, people are busy, so I wanted to wait another week before taking a 
"despair" measure and simply copy the NAMA list over :-).
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