[Squeakfoundation]The Natives are Restless

Dwight Hughes squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Wed, 23 May 2001 15:30:55 -0500

I support this and would like to name Dan as our chief 
Pointer-In-The-Right-Direction and general Kicker-In-The-Pants. Please, 
let's get something concrete happening and get on with it. An organization 
is only as good as its people and what they *do* - everything else is fluff.

This whole process to set up SqF feels like being pecked to death by ducks 
(and yes, I realize it hasn't even really gotten started). I know some of 
you may live for stuff like this, and I know that much of it is necessary, 
eventually, but my brain switches off after a couple of minutes and I 
wander off across the landscape to do something else - anything else. I get 
the same feeling standing in line at the DMV.

Declare SqF as a organization with a mandate to define and redefine itself 
whenever and however is necessary to be the SqF we want and need. Declare 
SqF a dynamically self-optimizing entity.

-- Dwight

At 02:31 PM 05/23/2001, Dan Ingalls wrote:
>Folks -
>Speaking as one who wants to see SqF take advantage of the community urge 
>for a truly open Squeak, I have some concern for the pace of bringing SqF 
>into existence.
>What I see is the Stable Squeak experiment reaching completion in not much 
>more time than we have spent deliberating over the definition of SqF, and 
>a number of people who *would support* an SqF looking elsewhere for it 
>when it is right under their nose.
>Why?  Because we haven't yet declared the existence of SqF.
>With no disrespect for the goals or even the process represented by the 
>dialog on this list so far, what I'm wondering is:  Why wait for all the 
>chaordic process and exact definitions to declare the existence of SqF?
>Instead, why not
>         Declare that SqF exists,
>         Appoint a number of "acting" officers
>         Declare a couple of active projects
>                 one of which is to converge on a more formal
>                 def of the organization
>         I think I could even raise a few $$ to carry us through the 
> interim period
>As token "Old Fart"  I'm willing to be put in any role.  I'll even appoint 
>myself and everybody else if no one wants to do this.  And I'll make up a 
>project list (you can guess from prior messages).
>That doesn't sound very democratic ("open"), but I'm just wanting to 
>"jump-start" the organization so that it can be accreting respect and 
>definition while it is still being born, and so that we can channel the 
>open Squeak urges into a coherent future, rather than fighting fires on 
>the Squeak mail list and dissipating energy in twenty splinter efforts.
>What do others feel?
>         - Dan
>This may sound critical, but I don't feel that way at all.
>I'm happy with the current participants and process.
>I just feel the need for an interim solution.