[Squeakfoundation] Re: Shrinking alpha image (was Re: Proposal to get to the triad)

Daniel Vainsencher danielv at netvision.net.il
Fri Mar 21 00:47:19 CET 2003

I've said before that I think a "release boss" is either something we
can't have, or a misnomer. Raising awareness of projects that people are
starting already is just fine, but IMO, we can't, and shouldn't, do much

Let me explain how little is too much - when we posted 3.5a, and
released it with two fixes that people asked for, that was probably too
much. Yes, I know I was one of the people for it, but consider this
consequence - 3.5 is in beta, soon in gamma. Have we heard one voice on
any squeak list saying "gee guys this actually works"? not that I

It's already in. The advocates for it have "won". If there's a screw up
(for example, it clashses with another recent change), we'll find it
when we're into 3.6. If we don't actually test releases, there's no
point in having release cycles at all - it just generates fruitless
discussion. We could for that matter just stop every 300 updates or 3
months and call it a release, and the name would be worthless.

I think the solution is a strict "if you want it, you test it" policy.
Bug fixes don't go into the image unless they're externally tested and
so forth.

Heck, adding code that's very broken is much healthier (in alpha phase)
- at least it's likely to bug enough people that they'll make sure it
gets fixed (at least while avoiding the "it's so central/complex nobody
can fix it" syndrome of 3.3 modules).

Generally, I think we can have either a real policy (fixed standards),
or a real leadership (human voice telling people what direction to go),
not both. Since more people in the community already want to pull a
specific direction, than want to apply specific standards, I think our
policies and actions as Guides should complement by focusing on setting

If we need to help specific directions materialize, it is more by giving
direct, quick feedback and help to people that want to do them, than by
proclaiming it should be done.

That might just be a bias on my part talking, but it'll definitely color
what I'm going to focus on.


Ned Konz <ned at bike-nomad.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:36 am, goran.hultgren at bluefish.se wrote:
> > And btw, who of us guides should be in charge of making sure that
> > we pin down the list of planned things for 3.6? I have seen
> > numerous posts on this subject but someone needs to collect these
> > into a "big list" that we can condense somewhere and come up with
> > "The Grand 3.6 Plan". In short - who should be the "Release Boss"
> > for 3.6? :-)
> >
> > And the gist of that plan should of course be summarized on this
> > page: http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeakfoundation/79
> I've started this process by putting some things on the Swiki.
> -- 
> Ned Konz
> http://bike-nomad.com
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