[Squeakfoundation]re: Shrinking alpha image

Daniel Vainsencher danielv at netvision.net.il
Sat Mar 22 01:30:46 CET 2003

As a good friend of mine once said, a contradiction implies anything you
want. If you have an operational model of how we get to where you
propose we should be, go ahead.

A few questions it should answer -
* How do we know what the community will come up with beforehand?
* How do we get everyone to actually test and document everything?
* How do we avoid being such pests that nobody actually wants to submit

I think the first is a mirage, and the second and third are reasonably
addressed by QA tags -if we stick to them and accept nothing that
doesn't have them-.


Craig Latta <craig.latta at netjam.org> wrote:
> Hi Daniel--
> > Let me explain how little is too much - when we posted 3.5a, and
> > released it with two fixes that people asked for, that was probably too
> > much. Yes, I know I was one of the people for it, but consider this
> > consequence - 3.5 is in beta, soon in gamma. Have we heard one voice on
> > any squeak list saying "gee guys this actually works"? not that I
> > noticed.
> > 
> > It's already in. The advocates for it have "won". If there's a screw up
> > (for example, it clashses with another recent change), we'll find it
> > when we're into 3.6. If we don't actually test releases, there's no
> > point in having release cycles at all...
> 	Whoever does the testing...
> -	You can't call it alpha until you know what changes you plan to have.
> -	You can't call it beta until all those changes are represented.
> -	You can't call it gamma until all those changes have been tested.
> 	I think adhering to that would help a lot. Of course, to be verifiable,
> it would require rather more documentation than we do now. I think it'd
> be worthwhile, though (and not terribly onerous if each change's
> implementor took responsibility for testing and documenting that they'd
> done so).
> -C
> --
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