[Squeakfoundation]The Harvesting process and the BFAV

[ducasse]

goran.
I can share an experiment we did with comments. In SmallWiki we 
generate part of the documentation automatically and
we use the method comments. I can tell you that when the first time 
lukas did that this was empty and slowly but surely this was improving. 
I think that javadoc is a stupid but powerful tools to push comment. 
The problem is that right now the comment (class comments) do not 
really exist because they are not present on the screen. I do not know 
the solution but I can convert the code from lukas to squeak: it 
generates latex. But for now the solution should be within the image I 
guess.
and I agree with you for the class comment and method comment (even if 
I was a lose harvester in the past :))
Stef



On Vendredi, oct 17, 2003, at 11:49 Europe/Zurich, 
goran.krampe at bluefish.se wrote:

> First of all, I agree with almost everything said up to this point. :-)
>
> 1. Avi points out one of the most important things that we have been
> talking about for ages. We need to "stake out" the packages. It is all
> about trust, sense of ownership and responsibility and motivation. Very
> important. Very. :-) We called it Stewards but we never got around to
> "appoint" them so it kinda stalled. Fortunately the (few) packages
> actually broken out where appointed maintainers simply because you
> *need* to enter that when they are registered. :)
>
> In short - we need to start staking out the image with Stewards. Adam
> Spitz IIRC posted a great list of packages currently isolated in the
> image and a few people stepped forward. Let us simply delegate this 
> task
> to one of the Guides to coordinate. Anyone up to it? Ned? Tim? That 
> task
> is for starters to simply take that list and put names on the packages.
> The next step is how to do the stakeout in practice (Avi probably has
> ideas with PI etc).
>
> 2. We probably need to "loosen up" the harvesting process. What I mean
> is that, as Andreas points out, I think we need to trust each other a
> bit more. At least we need to trust "the experts" a bit more. Most 
> other
> open source projects simply trust the developers to commit - and then
> fix things when they break. For example, when Ned makes fixes to 
> Morphic
> I trust him. There are various constraints we can have - like for
> example letting people "commit" when in alpha only etc.
>
> The only single problem I have with "trusting the experts" is that I
> actually *don't* trust anyone when it comes to *comments*. I am sorry 
> to
> say, but most of you (sure, I make mistakes too sometimes) simply suck
> at commenting your code - even the best of you. ;-) ;-) <- Two smileys
> here - but I am actually dead serious. On the other hand - such a check
> can be automated, at least making sure that new classes have a class
> comment longer than one sentence, and perhaps methods consisting of 
> more
> than 3 lines of code should also IMHO have a "top" comment.
>
> Also, bullet #1 above would IMHO also mean that the Stewards should be
> free to "commit" on their own.
>
> Well, my 2 cents.
>
> I think BFAV and the harvesting has worked pretty good - don't get me
> wrong. And all work with it has been done by others than me. But I 
> think
> the current process has problems and that we can do even better.
>
> regards, Göran
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