Squeek for O SX?

[Alan Kay]

However, you can use one of the UI skin packages to do a complete 
imitation of Aqua or Luna, etc. Jim Benson's Zurgle is excellent.

Cheers,

Alan

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At 4:29 PM -0200 11/16/02, Luciano Ramalho wrote:
>On sexta-feira, novembro 15, 2002, at 07:31 PM, Joel Braverman wrote:
>
>>Is there a native versio of Squeek in the works for OS X Aqua?
>>
>>Joel
>
>As a MacOS X 10.2 user, I've been very happy using the port 
>described  as "MacOS 7.5 through 9.2 Classic, and MacOS X (Carbon 
>and Cocoa)"  which can be found at 
>http://www.squeak.org/download/index.html . The  file I've 
>downloaded can be found at:
>
>ftp://st.cs.uiuc.edu/pub/Smalltalk/Squeak/3.2/mac/Squeak3.2-4956-MacOS- 
>Full.sit
>
>As for Aqua support, I'm no guru, but my understanding is that we 
>will  never see it in Squeak, for the same reason we don't have 
>native UI  widgets in any of the supported platforms. A key idea of 
>Squeak is to  have it's entire environment written in Squeak itself, 
>in order to  allow anyone to study and modify anything in the 
>system. Native widgets  are, by definition, not implemented in 
>Squeak...
>
>When I learned Java in 1996 I remember my frustration for being 
>unable  to subclass a listbox, for instance, to create my own 
>special listbox.  That was because in the AWT (the bad old Java GUI 
>toolkit), all widgets  were borrowed from the underlying OS, which 
>made their implementation  totally opaque, and subclassing 
>impossible. To implement a new kind of  listbox, I had to start with 
>little more than a bare frame, and  reimplement everything else. 
>(The new Java UI toolkit, Swing,  implements all widgets in Java 
>itself. Swing has skins that imitate the  GUI style of the most 
>important OS's, but even then the widgets are not  the real thing, 
>and end users can usually tell the difference)
>
>So although sometimes I wish Squeak could make it easier for us to 
>create more standard UIs, I think the price for that is too high. 
>Squeak is fun because it is completely malleable!
>
>The commercial Smalltalks all use native widgets, but I don't know 
>if  any of them supports Aqua yet.
>
>--
>Luciano


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