[Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas

[John Voiklis]

> This is why my answer was facetious .....

No need to explain; when I am not busy obsessing over words, I share your
attitude about what is the real work on this list and in general.

I could tell that I was coming off too serious, and should have added my
own winking character... ;)

...Actually, now that I am winking, today's run yielded another idea about
how the transition from novice to intermediate to expert might be handled:

-Novices could use a reduced tile (or other graphical programming widget)
set, only the most commonly used properties and behaviors (similar to what I saw
with Jive)

-For intermediates one could provide a tile builder, a tool with
which the user can create custom tiles.

-Experts, who have begun to find graphical programming unsuited to their
needs, can move on to Smalltalk or whatever the underlying language

Again this idea is rather unripe, but I wonder if anyone thinks it's worth
developing further.

Best,

John
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> ------
>
> At 12:27 PM -0400 8/20/03, John Voiklis wrote:
> >The run yielded nothing; oh well.
> >
> >I only brought the whole thing up because, from what I have heard of Tweak,
> >it is a new way of doing things. I feel we need a new vocabulary to make
> >sure it is recognized as such; otherwise we may find that we spend most of
> >our time explaining how and why this differs from other object-oriented
> >and/or prototype languages.
> >
> >Anyway, I am being too serious, all of the sudden. I simply wanted to throw
> >an idea into the mix; in the same way that you, Andreas, have said that the
> >syntax of a programming environment is part of its UI, I believe the words
> >we use to describe the environment inevitably shape the environment and how
> >we work there.
> >
> >Again, I need to lighten up. It's best I get back to the docs that I
> >promised to post.
> >
> >--J
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Andreas Raab [mailto:andreas.raab at squeakland.org]
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:41 PM
> >To: 'John Voiklis'; squeakland at squeakland.org
> >Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
> >
> >
> >Hi John and all,
> >
> >Thanks for all these ideas. I guess with the "pragma" idea then Tweak should
> >be called the "Pragmatist" with the "idea" the "Idealist" (or are those the
> >users of the system??? hm... ;-)
> >
> >Well, I guess I'll wait until you're back from the seven mile run and see
> >what your feelings are then ;-)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >   - Andreas
> >
> >
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >>  From: squeakland-bounces at squeakland.org
> >>  [mailto:squeakland-bounces at squeakland.org] On Behalf Of John Voiklis
> >>  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:16 PM
> >>  To: squeakland at squeakland.org
> >>  Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
> >>
> >>
> >>  > Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even
> >>  more Greek,
> >>  > and more appropriate.
> >>
> >>  I like it; I'll try a seven mile run and mull it over. In the
> >>  end though it isn't my call; still, whatever it is, I would
> >>  love to help in developing the theory and practice.
> >>
> >>  > Could we call it Idealistic Programming?
> >>
> >>  On the one hand, I like the half-kidding optimism, one the
> >>  other such a term has a progandistic tinge. Maybe one could
> >>  start with the spirit of Alan's term, Idea Processing, and
> >>  come up with a clever yet self-evidently appropriate turn of phrase.
> >>
> >>  Again, it is not up to me, but I look forward to the
> >>  intellectual work to come.
> >>
> >>  Best,
> >>
> >>  J
> >>
> >>
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