[Squeakland] Why not an "intermediary " list ?

[Amela Sadagic]

Kim,

I wholeheartedly support your suggestion of having only one list.

While I may not necessarily be interested in all discussion threads, we 
would loose so much with different lists and the energy would get 
dispersed. As we all know the threads develop organically and there is 
plenty of insights that I can find at later stages even if at the 
beginning I was not particularly interested in that thread. One can 
surely learn great deal listening different perspectives and being 
aware of different directions.

best,
Amela

~~~
Dr. Amela Sadagic
Co-Director
Partnership for Emerging Learning Environments - PELEgroup
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On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 11:55  AM, Kim Rose wrote:

> Hi Remi -
>
> I don't see why this list can't support/participate in the kind of 
> "conversation"/exploration you suggest.  I believe many Etoy users are 
> also quite interested in extending capabilities and usage within 
> Squeak -- into things like "Active Essays" and other forms of media 
> that Squeak can support.
>
> My main reason for pointing out that the "squeak.org" site is for a 
> more technical audience is just as you point out -- there's a lot more 
> "traffic" on that list and I would believe 90% of the content there is 
> not of interest or relevant to this readership. However, I do think 
> that threads re creating new Squeak-based "apps" would be of great 
> interest. So, please, folks, let's explore these things.
>
> Personally, I'd rather have "one list" for a variety of threads 
> instead of a number of fora that I'll need to continually 
> check/monitor, etc., but that's just my preference.
>
> thanks, Remi!
> Kim
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>  Welcome!  I saw Tim Andrews already sent you a wonderful response,
>>>  but I wanted to add my "welcome" and let you know that many
>>>  home-educating parents are also "listening" and participating here.
>>>  You're in the right place.  And, yes, the list can also be a 
>>> resource
>>>  for kids using Squeak, too!
>>>
>>>  The majority of participants in this list are
>>>  "less-than-hacker-level" programmers and many are novices, so we are
>>>  (mostly) using the "Etoy" part of Squeak -- the "tile based"
>>>  interface allowing kids and adults an "entry" into the ideas of
>>>  object oriented programming and more to their interest, generally,
>>>  project making, model making, and simulation building.  Having some
>>>  knowledge with Smalltalk is wonderful, however, but not necessary.
>>
>> Hello Kim,
>>
>> May I take this thread opportunity to ask a question about what I 
>> feel to be
>> a lack in the Squeak community?
>> Why is there not an intermediary list for "less than hacker level"
>> programmers who want,  to go beyond the Etoy system and use all the
>> potentialities of squeak? I know of course that the "main list" is 
>> open to
>> newbies questions, but I'm afraid it is not really practical. The 
>> volume on
>> the main list is huge (more than 150 mails on a week-end, 
>> sometimes!),and
>> 90%of the posts don't deal with topics suitable for newbies (in fact, 
>> to
>> tell the truth, there are many times when I don't even understand 
>> what is
>> the topic!). On the other end, squeakland is fine, but, AFAIK, is 
>> almost
>> interested in Etoys and educational issues. I think there is 
>> definitively a
>> place for an other list, dealing with squeak as a way to create
>> applications, as an "idea processor" as Alan Kay names it, in order to
>> interest people, who, like me, are not even professional programmers 
>> but
>> want to use squeak as a way to express their ideas (I think of course
>> especially about multimedia issues, such as Wonderland), but find 
>> frequently
>> difficult the lack of documentation for their level (Yes, I have  the 
>> books,
>> and I can say many questions remain unanswered!). Such a list would 
>> generate
>> automatically, through its archives, a precious documentation..
>>
>> Of course, nothing forbids somebody (including me) to create such a 
>> list
>> independantly at yahoogroups. But I suppose it would be better if it 
>> was,
>> more or less, an "official" list...What do you think?
>>
>> Bye!
>> Rémi
>>
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