[Squeakland] Why not an "intermediary " list ?

[Thomas Bernitt]

Hello

I am a Newbie in case of etoys just so in case of smalltalk. I want to learn
both and so I subscribed booth lists. I archive the mails, so I have the
possibility to search the lists offline. If I am interested in a special task, I
search very often two times, because the level and the issues of my
interests belongs to both lists. This is a justifiable labor.
Really I have to read a lot, I understand nothing or only a little bit, on
the other hand I learnd much in this little steps out of this difficult mails.
The first time the know how of the comunity made me frightened, but nowadays
it is important for me to know, that I uses a list with (friendly and
supporting) specialists behind it.
I fear, if we have to many lists, we will divide the comunity in
specialists, runaways and newbies. To get a good answer perhaps I have to ask twice -
first in the newbie-list and ones more in the runaway- or specialist-list - but
the scruple we will have to do so, will be mutch stronger than to day.

Regards

Thomas


> Hello  Emilio !
> > I cannot change your sense of 'atmosphere' but, please, give Squeak-dev
> list
> > a try.
> >
> > Regards.
> 
> Of course, I'm subscribed to dev-list as well (only with the "no email"
> option!), but  as I said, how can one really use a list when one has to
> browse through 100-200 posts in order to find a post that, although not
> dealing directly with one's own work, is at least at one's own level of
> understanding? Again, don't take it as a criticism of the dev-list! I
> understand that what people are doing there is tremendously important! I
> just think that trying to mix communities with so different interests and
> agendas is too difficult. People trying to modify a VM and people trying
> to
> move a bunny in a creative way are not the same people; although the
> second
> ones certainly owe everything to the first ones (and perhaps even change
> category one day)..
> 
> As I said earlier it is not only about asking and answering questions:
> it's
> about automatically generating documentation...Squeak is an open source,
> free system; people are working on it on their spare time. One cannot ask
> to
> anybody to write an extensive documentation. But if people had archives of
> mails (or forum's posts) dealing with all the important questions relevant
> to a given level of knowledge, this  would really help..


> 
> You know, for me it is too late, I have been assimilated ;-). I will
> continue to use Squeak, despite the lack of documentation, despite the
> difficulties to find the right info, etc. Squeak is better. Better than
> Java, better than Microsoft products, even better than some multimedia
> applications such as the couple Director/Flash....It remains to convince
> people about this. I'm convinced that many of these "intermediary
> programmers", perhaps the real Squeak's "marketing niche",  may be
> frightened, after a first contact, by the brutal level jump between the
> first tutorials (or first books) and the high level of the squeak
> community
> as it appears on the web...
> 
> But as I said, if people think differently, no big deal for me..I will
> stay,
> anyway ;-)...
> 
> Bye
> Remi
> 
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