[Squeakland] Squeakland Digest, Vol 28, Issue 3
Scott D.S. Young
cowt00n at earthlink.net
Thu Aug 4 15:38:18 PDT 2005
Ok, I must be blind, not really sure where to go and test out squeakland05.
Thanks,
Scott
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> 1. Squeak Etoys and preschoolers (Leonel Morgado)
> 2. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)
> 3. FW: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)
> 4. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Scott Wallace)
> 5. Re: Please help us test "Squeakland05" (Randy Heiland)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:31:59 +0100
>From: Leonel Morgado <leonel.morgado at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak Etoys and preschoolers
>To: squeakland at squeakland.org
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>Hi,
>
> I'm interested on computer programming experiences with children
>aged 3, 4 and 5.
> I was unable to find documented cases of Etoys use in this age
>group, but expect that there should be at least a few user stories.
>
> If anyone has reports, photos, or even just recollections of
>such cases, I would love to hear about them!
>
>Int?,
>
>Leonel Morgado
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:32:22 -0500
>From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland at indiana.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
>To: "'squeakland.org mailing list'" <squeakland at squeakland.org>
>Message-ID: <200508031831.j73IVpou007599 at mail-relay.iu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
>Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object
>on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's
>position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create
>a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the behavior
>of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
>yesterday.
>
>--Randy
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:03:09 -0500
>From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland at indiana.edu>
>Subject: [Squeakland] FW: Please help us test "Squeakland05"
>To: "'squeakland.org mailing list'" <squeakland at squeakland.org>
>Message-ID: <200508031902.j73J2fou008834 at mail-relay.iu.edu>
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>(oopsy, only sent to Kim the first time)
>
>Using the new image, I created an object, created a variable for the object,
>created a script with an assignment to the var, deleted the assignment tile
>from the script, tried to 'remove' the var (using its menu in the viewer)
>but was told it couldn't because the var was in use in a script - which it
>ain't :)
>
>--Randy
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:57:06 -0700
>From: Scott Wallace <scott.wallace at squeakland.org>
>Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
>To: "Randy Heiland" <heiland at indiana.edu>
>Cc: squeakland at squeakland.org
>Message-ID: <a05200f35bf173a7f00b8@[10.0.1.2]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
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>Hi, Randy,
>
>Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new Script
>when you drop it into a container depends on what the *container*
>decides is the right thing to do. This is governed by the "playfield
>option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can see and set from
>the "playfield options" menu of the container.
>
>By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book"
>consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set, which
>is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does not
>automatically expand into a Script.
>
>If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind of
>behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant
>checkbox, and check it. Thenceforth, it will have that behavior.
>
>Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of behavior
>on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the "playfield
>options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto-phrase-expansion
>option.
>
>Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary,
>and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on for
>a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a Holder,
>off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over the years.
>
>So... what recourse do you have?
>
>(1) You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book
>page(s) to true.
>
>(2) Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded into
>a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get the
>script created. Once it's created, you can pick it up and place it
>on a book-page if you wish.
>
>(3) Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and
>you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting of
>that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's halo
>menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around this
>phrase."
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Cheers,
>
> -- Scott
>
>PS: Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days!
>
>At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote:
>
>
>>Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
>>Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint an object
>>on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles (e.g. obj x's
>>position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't automagically create
>>a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the behavior
>>of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
>>yesterday.
>>
>>--Randy
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Squeakland mailing list
>>Squeakland at squeakland.org
>>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:16:00 -0500
>From: Randy Heiland <heiland at indiana.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Please help us test "Squeakland05"
>To: Scott Wallace <scott.wallace at squeakland.org>
>Cc: squeakland at squeakland.org
>Message-ID: <1D6A3601-6858-47DD-9BC8-F3C01D536232 at indiana.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>Scott,
>
>Thanks once again for your verbose explanation! You're just too darn
>polite to say, "Randy, you *are* losing your mind" :)
>I just ran the old image here on my miniMac at home and, sure enough,
>I get the same behavior - no auto-phrase-expansion in a book page.
>Sorry for not testing the old image before posting.
>
>--Randy
>
>
>On Aug 3, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Scott Wallace wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi, Randy,
>>
>>Whether or not a phrase gets automatically expanded into a new
>>Script when you drop it into a container depends on what the
>>*container* decides is the right thing to do. This is governed by
>>the "playfield option" named "auto-phrase-expansion", which you can
>>see and set from the "playfield options" menu of the container.
>>
>>By default, BookPageMorphs, which are what the pages of a "Book"
>>consist of, do *not* have the "auto-phrase-expansion" flag set,
>>which is why when you drop a phrase in such a container, it does
>>not automatically expand into a Script.
>>
>>If you want a particular BookPage or Playfield to *have* that kind
>>of behavior, bring up its Playfield Options menu, find the relevant
>>checkbox, and check it. Thenceforth, it will have that behavior.
>>
>>Conversely, if you should happen *not* to want that kind of
>>behavior on your "desktop" (aka the "world"), you can bring up the
>>"playfield options" menu for the "world" and *uncheck* the auto-
>>phrase-expansion option.
>>
>>Experience has proven that both alternatives are really necessary,
>>and we've set the defaults the way they are (on for the World, on
>>for a "Scripting Area", off for a generic Playfield, off for a
>>Holder, off for a default BookPage) based on perceived needs over
>>the years.
>>
>>So... what recourse do you have?
>>
>>(1) You can set the "auto-phrase-expansion" option of your book
>>page(s) to true.
>>
>>(2) Or, whenever you want a phrase to be automatically expanded
>>into a script, you, simply drop the phrase on the *desktop* to get
>>the script created. Once it's created, you can pick it up and
>>place it on a book-page if you wish.
>>
>>(3) Finally, if, for whatever reason, you have a bare phrase, and
>>you want to get it directly converted into a new script consisting
>>of that phrase, there's an option at the bottom of the PhraseTile's
>>halo menu to do just that -- look for "Sprout a new scriptor around
>>this phrase."
>>
>>Hope this helps,
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>> -- Scott
>>
>>PS: Looking forward to seeing you in Chicago in just a few days!
>>
>>At 1:32 PM -0500 8/3/05, Randy Heiland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps I'm losing my mind, but...
>>>Today as I continue to add more pages to a 'Book' project, I paint
>>>an object
>>>on the page, open its viewer, drag one of the assignment tiles
>>>(e.g. obj x's
>>>position) into the page and, to my surprise, it doesn't
>>>automagically create
>>>a script and put the assignment tile into it. This is unlike the
>>>behavior
>>>of the old image and, I thought, even the new image from my using it
>>>yesterday.
>>>
>>>--Randy
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Squeakland mailing list
>>>Squeakland at squeakland.org
>>>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Scott D.S. Young
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