[Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails

[Randy Heiland]

Hi Alan,
I'm not sure whether to read into that that the UI will remain unchanged in
Tweak-etoys or not.  Anyway, I appreciate the "invitation" for feedback :)

One UI issue that seems to crop up for me fairly often is a tile-script
becoming unwieldy - in length.  Now this may be because I'm stretching the
limits of how etoys should be used.  But it seems a nice feature would be to
have an optional scrollbar on a tile-script (just as is present on the
textual code version of the script).  Similarly, the option of having a
scrollbar on the 'scripts' and 'variables' categories would be nice.

I'd also like to use etoys to teach some fun graphics apps that use simple
math.  However, writing something like:  a*x + b*y  becomes fairly
cumbersome in etoys.  For starters, there is no notion of operator
hierarchy, nor any parens for grouping - unless I'm mistaken.

Just some thoughts, Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:25 PM
> To: Randy Heiland; sdate at everestkc.net
> Cc: 'Scott Wallace'; squeakland at squeakland.org
> Subject: RE: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
> 
> Suggestions for better UI would be most welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alan
> 
> At 06:47 AM 6/3/2005, Randy Heiland wrote:
> >I'd really like to learn more about this sometime.  Perhaps it will be a
> >topic at Squeakfest and I can wait til then, but obviously not everyone
> on
> >this list will be attending.  My main curiosity is about how the user
> >interface will change (or not) for Tweak-etoys vs. Squeak-etoys.  As far
> as
> >teaching children, I don't really care what graphics engine drives etoys
> - I
> >do care about the UI.  But obviously the engine can help define/improve
> the
> >UI.
> >
> >--Randy
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:36 AM
> > > To: sdate at everestkc.net
> > > Cc: Scott Wallace; Randy Heiland; squeakland at squeakland.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
> > >
> > > Tweak is the next version of etoys, and will have considerably more
> range
> > > of users and use. We have been working on this for the last several
> years.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > At 10:08 PM 6/2/2005, sdate at everestkc.net wrote:
> > > >Hi Alan,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Folks --
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, in Tweak, we should probably just extrude real objects
> > > > > for pen
> > > >
> > > >I have been travelling a lot for the last few weeks and am not up to
> date
> > > >with the recent developments on this forum,
> > > >so please pardon my ignorance: what is Tweak?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >-- Shashank
> > >
>