[Squeakland] Tile-Script Scrollbar[was]clear object-specific pen trails

Randy Heiland heiland at indiana.edu
Sat Jun 4 18:14:00 PDT 2005


Thanks Darius.  Yes, if that artifact wasn't present, this would indeed be a
nice solution for making a scrollable tile-script.
--Randy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SqueakUser [mailto:squeakuser at inglang.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:28 PM
> To: Randy Heiland; 'Alan Kay'
> Cc: squeakland at squeakland.org
> Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Tile-Script Scrollbar[was]clear object-specific
> pen trails
> 
> Randy,
> 
> I've put a script in a GeeMail box and it seems to scroll tile-script
> satisfactorily in eToys while running.
> There is one artifact when dragging & dropping tiles onto a GeeMail
> embedded
> tile-script. The artifact is that copy of the image of the tile is put on
> the left side of the desktop. It's nice to have the development
> environment
> the same as the graphical environment.
> 
> Tweak 1.0 has as Scrollpane Widget but I've not been able to put a
> tile-script into it yet.
> 
> Cheers,
> Darius
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland at indiana.edu>
> To: "'Alan Kay'" <alan.kay at squeakland.org>
> Cc: <squeakland at squeakland.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
> 
> 
> > Hi Alan,
> > I'm not sure whether to read into that that the UI will remain unchanged
> > in
> > Tweak-etoys or not.  Anyway, I appreciate the "invitation" for feedback
> :)
> >
> > One UI issue that seems to crop up for me fairly often is a tile-script
> > becoming unwieldy - in length.  Now this may be because I'm stretching
> the
> > limits of how etoys should be used.  But it seems a nice feature would
> be
> > to
> > have an optional scrollbar on a tile-script (just as is present on the
> > textual code version of the script).  Similarly, the option of having a
> > scrollbar on the 'scripts' and 'variables' categories would be nice.
> >
> > I'd also like to use etoys to teach some fun graphics apps that use
> simple
> > math.  However, writing something like:  a*x + b*y  becomes fairly
> > cumbersome in etoys.  For starters, there is no notion of operator
> > hierarchy, nor any parens for grouping - unless I'm mistaken.
> >
> > Just some thoughts, Randy
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:25 PM
> >> To: Randy Heiland; sdate at everestkc.net
> >> Cc: 'Scott Wallace'; squeakland at squeakland.org
> >> Subject: RE: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
> >>
> >> Suggestions for better UI would be most welcome.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >> At 06:47 AM 6/3/2005, Randy Heiland wrote:
> >> >I'd really like to learn more about this sometime.  Perhaps it will be
> a
> >> >topic at Squeakfest and I can wait til then, but obviously not
> everyone
> >> on
> >> >this list will be attending.  My main curiosity is about how the user
> >> >interface will change (or not) for Tweak-etoys vs. Squeak-etoys.  As
> far
> >> as
> >> >teaching children, I don't really care what graphics engine drives
> etoys
> >> - I
> >> >do care about the UI.  But obviously the engine can help
> define/improve
> >> the
> >> >UI.
> >> >
> >> >--Randy
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
> >> > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:36 AM
> >> > > To: sdate at everestkc.net
> >> > > Cc: Scott Wallace; Randy Heiland; squeakland at squeakland.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
> >> > >
> >> > > Tweak is the next version of etoys, and will have considerably more
> >> range
> >> > > of users and use. We have been working on this for the last several
> >> years.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > Alan
> >> > >
> >> > > At 10:08 PM 6/2/2005, sdate at everestkc.net wrote:
> >> > > >Hi Alan,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi Folks --
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You know, in Tweak, we should probably just extrude real
> objects
> >> > > > > for pen
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I have been travelling a lot for the last few weeks and am not up
> to
> >> date
> >> > > >with the recent developments on this forum,
> >> > > >so please pardon my ignorance: what is Tweak?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Thanks,
> >> > > >-- Shashank
> >> > >
> >>
> >
> >
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