[Squeakland] Tile-Script Scrollbar[was]clear object-specific pen trails

[InglangBox]

Randy,

I've put a script in a GeeMail box and it seems to scroll tile-script
satisfactorily in eToys while running.
There is one artifact when dragging & dropping tiles onto a GeeMail embedded
tile-script. The artifact is that copy of the image of the tile is put on
the left side of the desktop. It's nice to have the development environment
the same as the graphical environment.

Tweak 1.0 has as Scrollpane Widget but I've not been able to put a
tile-script into it yet.

Cheers,
Darius


 ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randy Heiland" <heiland at indiana.edu>
> To: "'Alan Kay'" <alan.kay at squeakland.org>
> Cc: <squeakland at squeakland.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
>
>
>> Hi Alan,
>> I'm not sure whether to read into that that the UI will remain unchanged 
>> in
>> Tweak-etoys or not.  Anyway, I appreciate the "invitation" for feedback 
>> :)
>>
>> One UI issue that seems to crop up for me fairly often is a tile-script
>> becoming unwieldy - in length.  Now this may be because I'm stretching 
>> the
>> limits of how etoys should be used.  But it seems a nice feature would be 
>> to
>> have an optional scrollbar on a tile-script (just as is present on the
>> textual code version of the script).  Similarly, the option of having a
>> scrollbar on the 'scripts' and 'variables' categories would be nice.
>>
>> I'd also like to use etoys to teach some fun graphics apps that use 
>> simple
>> math.  However, writing something like:  a*x + b*y  becomes fairly
>> cumbersome in etoys.  For starters, there is no notion of operator
>> hierarchy, nor any parens for grouping - unless I'm mistaken.
>>
>> Just some thoughts, Randy
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:25 PM
>>> To: Randy Heiland; sdate at everestkc.net
>>> Cc: 'Scott Wallace'; squeakland at squeakland.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
>>>
>>> Suggestions for better UI would be most welcome.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> At 06:47 AM 6/3/2005, Randy Heiland wrote:
>>> >I'd really like to learn more about this sometime.  Perhaps it will be 
>>> >a
>>> >topic at Squeakfest and I can wait til then, but obviously not everyone
>>> on
>>> >this list will be attending.  My main curiosity is about how the user
>>> >interface will change (or not) for Tweak-etoys vs. Squeak-etoys.  As 
>>> >far
>>> as
>>> >teaching children, I don't really care what graphics engine drives 
>>> >etoys
>>> - I
>>> >do care about the UI.  But obviously the engine can help define/improve
>>> the
>>> >UI.
>>> >
>>> >--Randy
>>> >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: Alan Kay [mailto:alan.kay at squeakland.org]
>>> > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:36 AM
>>> > > To: sdate at everestkc.net
>>> > > Cc: Scott Wallace; Randy Heiland; squeakland at squeakland.org
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] clear object-specific pen trails
>>> > >
>>> > > Tweak is the next version of etoys, and will have considerably more
>>> range
>>> > > of users and use. We have been working on this for the last several
>>> years.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > >
>>> > > Alan
>>> > >
>>> > > At 10:08 PM 6/2/2005, sdate at everestkc.net wrote:
>>> > > >Hi Alan,
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Hi Folks --
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You know, in Tweak, we should probably just extrude real objects
>>> > > > > for pen
>>> > > >
>>> > > >I have been travelling a lot for the last few weeks and am not up 
>>> > > >to
>>> date
>>> > > >with the recent developments on this forum,
>>> > > >so please pardon my ignorance: what is Tweak?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >Thanks,
>>> > > >-- Shashank
>>> > >
>>>
>>
>>
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