[squeakland] Re: Tick Rate not accurate

[kharness at illinois.edu]

Steve, 
The project I attached is similar to projects I see from young students who experiment with huge numbers and find out they can't pause a script. It combines a large y increase by value and a large tickspersecond. I could take back control of Etoys with control-alt-delete or alt-period. I saved it with the debug info. 
Regards, 
Kathleen

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:43:58 -0400
>From: Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>  
>Subject: Re: [squeakland] Re: Tick Rate not accurate  
>To: kharness at illinois.edu
>Cc: Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki at vpri.org>, "squeakland at squeakland.org list" <squeakland at squeakland.org>
>
>   Kathleen, 
>   My vote on the EDU team is to remove 100, add a
>   scriptable tile for "files per tick" and a
>   scriptable tile for setting the tick rate".
>   In your quick guide you may want to ask "What would
>   happen if you set the Tick Rate to less than 1?"
>   or "Try setting your Tick Rate to less than 1, what
>   do you think will happen?"
>   Stephen
>
>   On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:12 AM,
>   <kharness at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>     Yoshiki,
>     Was "fires per tick" removed because of the way
>     the OLPC works?
>     BTW I wrote a new quick guide to introduce the
>     tick rate feature.
>     http://www.etoysillinois.org/library.php?sl=1075
>     Regards,
>     Kathleen
>     ---- Original message ----
>     >Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:26:22 -0700
>     >From: Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki at vpri.org>
>     >Subject: Re: [squeakland] Re: Tick Rate not
>     accurate
>     >To: "squeakland at squeakland.org list"
>     <squeakland at squeakland.org>
>     >
>     >At Thu, 3 Jun 2010 01:07:57 -0300,
>     >Ricardo Moran wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Why is it hidden? It seems like a very nice
>     feature to me.
>     >
>     >  No doubt that it is useful in some cases, but
>     the "repeat" tile
>     >provides the same behavior to the "fires per
>     tick" feature but in a
>     >scriptable way.
>     >
>     >  Also, setting the tick rate is already
>     somewhat hidden (holding the
>     >button on a clock is not discoverable).  With a
>     hidden feature there
>     >and a special-case menu item here and many
>     combinations of these two
>     >produce pretty much the same end result.  We
>     thought it is confusing
>     >enough to explain them to the end user.
>     >
>     >  Removing the "100" option from the tick rate
>     menu and making a tile
>     >to set tick rate in the scripting category would
>     be nice.  Trying to
>     >convince the edu team to reinstate the "fire per
>     tick" feature might do
>     >it also^^;
>     >
>     >-- Yoshiki
>     >
>     >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima
>     <yoshiki at vpri.org> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     At Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:18:19 -0400,
>     >>     Steve Thomas wrote:
>     >>     >
>     >>     > Bert, thanks for the explanation.
>     >>     >
>     >>     > So if the default max Tick Rate is 50,
>     should remove 100 from the list of selectable tick
>     rates?
>     >>     >
>     >>     > "Other..." still makes sense
>     (especially 0.1 for ticking every 10 seconds), but
>     we should have some warning so
>     >>     folks
>     >>     > know the limitations. The warning could
>     be when you select Other in the dialog box that
>     pops up. ex: "Max Rate is
>     >>     50 per
>     >>     > second, can change in preferences").
>     >>     >
>     >>     > My major purpose for using Etoys is
>     playing around ;) no specific need at this point
>     in time. I noticed the
>     >>     problem when
>     >>     > running Randy's Dice Roll project and
>     was simply trying to figure out how things worked.
>     >>
>     >>      Just FYI, there is a hidden feature
>     called "fires per tick" (only
>     >>     present in the scriptor menu when
>     etoyFriendly preference is off) to
>     >>     specify how many times the script should
>     be executed per tick. For
>     >>     example, if you set the number high in
>     Randy's Dice Roll, the bar
>     >>     graph grows more rapidly.
>     >>
>     >>     -- Yoshiki
>     >>    
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