[squeakland] [etoys-dev] About Skeleton

[karl ramberg]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:18 AM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Randy Caton <rcaton at cnu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I like the spreadsheet that Ricardo created because it is simple and basic
>> and allows I/O. It leaves more for learners to create.
>
> I too like the fact that my spreadsheet it's really simple (although I don't
> really like my implementation) but if we are thinking of including a table
> like object, I'm pretty sure Skeleton is the right choice. The only
> disadvantage I can see is the lack of a scroll bar to manage big amounts of
> data. I'm thinking this could be solved with a ScrollPane object acting as a
> playfield where you could drop big objects and use the scrollbars to move
> around. I tried to do it today but I don't understand how the ScrollPane
> works exactly.
>
>>
>> Couldn't the functions already in etoys be used in the cells? Does
>> Skeleton allow plots? If so, then what about Ricardo's graphs? I'd like to
>> see them in etoys also.
>
> I don't know if Skeletong allows plots, but as Karl said, it should be
> possible to build them with it. As for my graphs, IIRC there were a few
> technical issues preventing them to be included, but I'll see what I can do
> this weekend to fix them.
> Cheers,
> Richo

Great you are starting to work on this :-)
I'll be checking it out too.
What did you change from the original code ?
I think we have to change the layout of the ticker clock in the
spreadsheet, because it now gets kind of cramped.

Karl


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>>
>> Randy
>>
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>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11.10.2011, at 14:34, Ricardo Moran wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > The squeak list is currently discussing about a spreadsheet morph, and
>>> > that just reminded me about how cool is Skeleton actually. So I'm wondering
>>> > why it is not in Etoys? I found an old discussion stating that it could be a
>>> > nice extension to Etoys but the biggest issue being the slow loading of
>>> > external code. I have to agree with that being a problem but I think we
>>> > might reconsider just include it in the image as with Dr Geo.
>>> >
>>> > I know we already have a bloated image full of half finished projects
>>> > but from what I briefly tested Skeleton seems to work out of the box. And it
>>> > doesn't add a *huge* amount of new code. See this simple comparison with
>>> > DrGeo:
>>> >
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') systemCategories size. 2
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') classes size. 38
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') methods size. 654
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') linesOfCode. 4765
>>> >
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') systemCategories size. 10
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') classes size. 214
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') methods size.  1863
>>> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') linesOfCode.  17154
>>> >
>>> > Another issue, I guess, is that if Skeleton gets included someone will
>>> > have to maintain it, but from what I've seen the latest version dates from
>>> > 2006 and it still works today. So maybe it won't be that big of an issue.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, if you want to test it:
>>> > http://www.languagegame.org:8080/ggame/11.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Richo
>>>
>>> How does it compare to the data table thing you did in your GSoC project?
>>
>> My data table serves the only purpose of importing/exporting CSV files,
>> but not much else, whereas Skeleton is a proper spreadsheet, it supports
>> functions, and is well integrated with etoys via drag and drop of tiles.
>>
>>>
>>> Would be nice to have only one, not two table-like objects.
>>
>> I agree, but since my table is not integrated anyway, I vote for
>> integrating Skeleton which is much better than what I did. And if we want
>> the I/O of csv files, I could find the way of adapting Skeleton. It
>> shouldn't be that difficult, I suppose.
>> Cheers,
>> Richo
>>
>>>
>>> - Bert -
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