[UI] More feel observations

Wed Dec 5 20:00:01 UTC 2007

Gary,

That would be great, though please leave out the activation, Windows
Genuine Annoyance(TM), black screen of death, slow copies, etc. ;)  It
certainly is not a high priority, but would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Bill

Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
University of Florida
Department of Anesthesiology
PO Box 100254
Gainesville, FL 32610-0254

Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
Tel: (352) 846-1285
FAX: (352) 392-7029

>>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 12/5/2007 1:24:18 PM >>>
I could do a "VistaryBasic" subclass, just like ms, lol!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Bill
Schwab
> Sent: 05 December 2007 6:05 PM
> To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> Subject: RE: [UI] More feel observations
> 
> 
> Gary,
> 
> My v-key complaints are mostly limited to the numeric keypad, but I
> _think_ it is a little broader than that.  Indeed, the Windows VM
does a
> better job, even getting stuff like control-shift-arrow to work
> properly, at least as far as I use them.  Just so I do not sound like
a
> walking shortcut table, some of the weird sequences get exercised in
> proportion to the editing task.  I re-learn them in a hurry, when
> appropriate.  Home and end are staples.
> 
> Vistary: I have been doing most of my Squeak hacking on a 1.8 GHz P4
w/
> 512MB, or so it claims.  It is an older machine, and is becoming my
bit
> bucket, which Gnome finds a little taxing.  A preference for
> translucency might be nice.  The truth is, even when the hardware is
up
> to it, I find the translucency a little distracting, especially on
> walkbacks. 
> 
> 
> > (PluggableListMorph used to release
> > the keyboard focus regardless!). 
> 
> Thanks for fixing that, and more.  I will take another look at the
> preferences.  Maybe I have too much of a good thing in use??
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> 
> Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu 
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
> 
> 
> >>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 12/5/2007 6:09:51 AM >>>
> Thanks for feedback, I'll make some comments...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> > [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Bill
> Schwab
> > Sent: 05 December 2007 2:11 AM
> > To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> > Subject: [UI] More feel observations
> >
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > I did some more "real" programming today (working on a port of my
> > home-grown file backup system), and am starting to find that one
of
> my
> > larger complaints (which I consider to be a sign of progress) is
the
> > apparent lack of support for virtual keys - the home and end in
> > particular - in the unix VM.  My searching so far has not turned
up
> > anything specifically useful, so I will probably submit a question
> to
> > Squeak-dev soon.
> 
> Yes, virtual keys... my main gripe is lack of support for function
> keys.
> As for home/end what's the problem with those? Or do you mean just
on
> the
> numeric keypad? (only just noticed now you mention it... ok in
Windows
> though :-) ).
> 
> >
> > Vistary, at least on my hardware, is slow enough that I can easily
> type
> > faster than it can keep up.  Soft squeak is much harder to outrun
on
> the
> > same hardware.  Note that I still cannot fully clobber it due to
the
> > virtual key hassles.  Part of my input speed comes from
> > home/tab/past/space/etc/end, sometimes with shift depressed to
make
> > selections. Some of this stuff is so engrained I don't even realize
I
> do
> > it until it doesn't work.
> 
> Been a while since I noticed any keyboard lag from Squeak...
> SoftSqueak is certainly the most responsive theme, more than
> StandardSqueak.
> Vistary, due to translucency, is only expected to work well on
modern
> hardware (is fine on my 1.73 GHz Centrino laptop). What's your
> hardware?
> 
> >
> > One thing that is in our general area is mouse interaction.  It
will
> be
> > difficult to catch this in the act, but there is pretty clearly
> > something to it.  Have some code in plain sight; now try to
> drag-select
> > it, quickly.  I get unpredictable results; sometimes it selects
what
> I
> > want, usually it does not.  When I have had similar problems in
> other
> > systems, it suggests that the code is picking up current mouse
> > coordinates when it should be using event coordinates.
> 
> Not noticed any problems like this... of course, a slower system
might
> highlight such issues.
> 
> > Re #mouseClickForKeyboardFocus, it appears to be selectively
> necessary.
> > AFAICT, with other changes you have made, it is somewhat redundant.

> The
> > message name browser is horribly broken without it.  A few times,
I
> have
> > found that when adding methods, I get into a situation where the
> input
> > focus is undefined, or not where I want it anyway, making it
> necessary
> > to click in the code pane of the system browser.  The weird thing
is
> > that in that situation, the cursor needs to be in the code pane
for
> it
> > to get focus.  I have #mouseClickForKeyboardFocus set to true.
> 
> Best to set #mouseOverForKeyboardFocus to false when
> #mouseClickForKeyboardFocus is enabled (see
> PluggableTextMorph>>mouseLeave:). I'll probably rework that method
> since it
> is now the only sender of #mouseOverForKeyboardFocus
> (PluggableListMorph
> used to release the keyboard focus regardless!). Or, possibly, make
> changes
> to properly honour the #mouseOverForKeyboardFocus pref in the usual
> morphs
> (lists, text etc.).
> 
> >
> > Sorry for the incomplete observations and guesswork, but it is
> hopefully
> > better to write down what I can remember.
> >
> > Bill
> 
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