[UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband

[Gary Chambers]

Well, the toolbuilder could be extended to start using specialised
subclasses (more than it does) (via theme perhaps). Remember, what I have
done was evolutionary, the toolbuilder things were kind of late-in-the-day.
At the time I was modifying things as a whole. Some effects could be done
via toolbuilder, though that would mean significantly extending the
expressive power of it. At the moment it is a simple interface, for the best
I think.

Toolbuilder provides a way for separating the IDE from a general UI in some
respects. To builder an end-user application using toolbuilder is, at
present, unfeasible without some major extensions. That is the reason I have
provided a lower-level framework for working with themed morphs.

Would be nice to have a consistent (programmer) interface too... Tricky to
do without breaking things though.

Having created some before, a GUI builder could be next, once we can all
agree on a sound framework to base it upon.

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[mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab
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Subject: RE: [UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband


Gary,

I just remember it was (apparently) not easy to get it to do what I wanted
:)  I bow to your theory on the mechanism.  Anyone wanting to beat me to it
is most welcome, but if creating a custom tool builder means what I think it
means, I would be willing to take a crack at making a themed IDE.  It would
be a significant proof of concept, and would make Squeak that much easier
for me to (ab)use in daily work.  It would (again, assuming I have the
correct things in mind) also allow us to localize feel changes, leaving much
of morphic alone.  Messing around with GUI builders/translators is also a
good thing for me to be doing, because if I ever move the cash cows to
Squeak, translating some GUIs would be an essential step.  Other things need
to be fixed too, but the GUIs are certainly a big and highly visible
component; I am hopeful that Pavel's kernel effort will provide ready access
to fixes for the other (call them ANSI related for a 30k ft view) snags.

Bill



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>>> gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com 09/04/07 1:14 PM >>>
Background colour, IIRC is imposed on "panes" in a window... Can do better
when using some of the extra themed controls.

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[mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab
Sent: 04 September 2007 6:09 pm
To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband


Guys,

For the record, I can live with it either way, though I think that some
focus indication is a good idea - again, MS of old did it that way for a
reason, based on feedback from users, to whom they actually paid some
attention in those days.

The amount of text snared is really of little interest to me.  I simply was
reminded of the trouble I had changing the background color, but that is a
morphic/squeak but, not anything wrong with Gary's work (though we might be
able to improve things, or I could be missing the correct way to change it
in Squeak as-is).  More later.

This is quite low on my priority scale.

Bill





Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
University of Florida
Department of Anesthesiology
PO Box 100254
Gainesville, FL 32610-0254

Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
Tel: (352) 846-1285
FAX: (352) 392-7029

>>> tim at rowledge.org 09/04/07 12:43 PM >>>

On 4-Sep-07, at 8:18 AM, Gary Chambers wrote:

> The dotted border indicates the current keyboard focus... I can add a
> preference if required, or, perhaps, a choice of focus indication
> styles.
Whilst I'm not at all convinced that any special focus indicator is  
needed, I am convinced that the aggressively visible dotted line  
around the *wrong* area is a poor choice. Currently in an empty text  
pane the dotted line appears around a single line instead of the  
rather more logical entire text pane.

tim
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