[UI] ToolBuilder

[Brad Fuller]

Hmmm... How can this fit into Juan's latest proposal? Juan: you seem to want 
to start from scratch, but can the MVP paradigm work for what you are after?


On Sun September 9 2007, Jason Johnson wrote:
> Sure, if we build up an MVP framework we can certainly use Morphic for
> the view.  That's not a problem.  We can also let the user decide.
> They can make the model objects and the presenters and then they can
> provide multiple views:  a native host view, a morphic view, and old
> MVC style view and so on.
>
> On 9/9/07, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Persnoally I'd like a clean framework, a  GUI builder (that stores as
> > code - hence versionable etc. using existing tools) and a framework that
> > still allows traditional Morphic. All possible.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> > > [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Jason Johnson
> > > Sent: 09 September 2007 5:08 pm
> > > To: Squeak's User Interface
> > > Subject: Re: [UI] ToolBuilder
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to clarify what I meant:  It just seems to me that
> > > Morphic is quite complex.  If this complexity isn't buying us
> > > something special that no other system has then I think we
> > > should consider dropping it (or fix it if it's fixable).
> > >
> > > On 9/9/07, Jason Johnson <jason.johnson.081 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 9/9/07, Bill Schwab <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> > > > > Jason,
> > > > >
> > > > > I respectfully submit that you are indeed off base :)
> > > >
> > > > I can accept that, I'm by no means an export.  But where am I off
> > > > base?  If I can't find that out I can't correct my misconceptions.
> > > > What I read in your argument was basically "Morphic is what
> > >
> > > we have".
> > >
> > > > That is valid, but if we are considering making the
> > >
> > > definitive UI for
> > >
> > > > Squeak I think we need to get off to the right foot, or at
> > >
> > > least know
> > >
> > > > what it is.
> > > >
> > > > Your point about wanting a builder is certainly valid, but
> > >
> > > we can have
> > >
> > > > that for any View framework we build.  If Morphic isn't a
> > >
> > > fit lets at
> > >
> > > > least plan to drop it for something that is.  I appreciate
> > >
> > > someone put
> > >
> > > > a lot of work in coming up with Morphic and people have put
> > >
> > > in effort
> > >
> > > > bringing it to Squeak, but the point of experimenting is to
> > >
> > > be able to
> > >
> > > > say "well, it didn't work".
> > > >
> > > > And I also agree about Tweak.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and I'm up for doing what I can to build MVP from the
> > >
> > > ground up. I
> > >
> > > > think it's the right thing to do.
> > >
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