[UI] Well, shall we do something then?

[tim Rowledge]

On 16-Sep-07, at 11:41 AM, Bill Schwab wrote:

> Todd,
>
> I had forgotten about the costumes - now I really want no part of  
> Tweak

Costumes are in my opinion one of the more useful parts of the tweak  
design. You an change the look by changing the costume. Now tweak  
events... that's a different story. Nice idea but living with them in  
practice has been a real pain. Debugging when there are dozens of  
processes running, each handling an event related script has not been  
pleasant. I'm sure there must be a solution but we (as in 'the Sophie  
team' have not found it.
>
> Perhaps we can offer a choice between
> Morphic and "The Welch Thing" on a per-use basis.
That would be 'the Welsh thing', if you don't mind,  (http:// 
www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=welch&searchmode=none) or  
'Ariethfa Ffenestri' or just ffenestri. Remember that ffenestri is  
*only* a system for creating and manipulating host windows and  
allowing us to draw upon them. Someone needs to implement whatever  
higher level code is need to make meaningful use of the window.  
Morphic, Tweak, even MVC could all do so. My preference would be to  
see something based on Cairo(http://cairographics.org/) since that  
offers quite good quality, reasonably portable, vector based drawing  
and fonts and image composition.

I really think that the conversations about use of MVP, MVC, whatever  
a re very premature. Right now I'd urge people to be thinking about  
what a UI should be able to do and not worry about just how to do it  
yet. What sort of interactions are needed? What widgets will support  
them? What sort of UI creation tool (s) would be nice? What sort of  
presentation devices should be supported - big screen, little  
screens, colour only or monochrome as well, touchscreeens, projected  
giant displays, web browsers via Web2.0-whatever ?

Take the time to really work out something sensible. Document what is  
worked out. Work through scenarios of use and programming of the design.

tim
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