[Vm-dev] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] VMMaker metacello config for Squeak
astares at gmx.de
Sat Feb 6 02:07:57 UTC 2010
>It's is not "just a package manager" it is huge and totally over
>engineered for the purpose you have in mind.
I dont care if you think it is over engineered in it's internal core.
The specs are easy to write and I can maintain/load them with Monticello.
I can continue to use both: Squeak and Pharo for projects.
And I can load my projects code and throw Metacello's overengineered
code out of the image easily afterwards. It's just a vehicle.
Since the spec is parsable I can switch if someone provides something
better in the future. Currently it is available, maintained and working.
Is Bob/Sake project meanwhile with public access? Are you back in
>VMMaker is at a far lower level than Seaside or other things
>Metacello is being used for.
Yes, like FFI, ExternalWebBrowsers, SQLite3 or others which
are available via configurations. You may say it is overkill for
such small projects - but you can construct more complex configs
(like Seaside) from that.
>... You can put scripts into InstallerScripts to be loaded using ...
I know all this - but
a) I want something that works on Squeak, Pharo, Gemstone, maybe other ST's later
(since I use Seaside)
b) I want to maintain versions in one file (here in one class)
not in separate scripts for each version. I can use Monticello diffs to
see how the config has changed, ...
c) I want a declarative description instead of code since I may
use it for other purposes too (deployment and dependency tools, ...)
>I could comment on the rest of your post, I basically disagree with
>pretty much everything you say.
No problem for me ... you dont have to use it.
It doesnt change anything on VMMaker or prevents you from using
>Can Metacello publish and use definitions on a web page or wiki, can
>it load from squeakmap, or universes, can it access published bug
>fixes, can you override with your own local definitions, can it
>bootstrap from the source.st code inside a monticello package.
Again: Metacello does not care about SqueakMap, Universe, Mantis
since it is not bound to Squeak. You compare apples with oranges.
Lets play a short game:
You will find ConfigurationOfMetaSource in the MetaSource project on SqS,
that is able to load a whole seaside app right from a core image
and keep it maintained with new versions.
Show me that Installer/Sake/Bob is doing better here and is aligned
with the goals in a) b) and c)
NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen!
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