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>    1. Merging FFI and Alien (Esteban Lorenzano)
>    2. Re: Merging FFI and Alien (Luc Fabresse)
>    3. Re: Merging FFI and Alien (Esteban Lorenzano)
>    4. Re: Merging FFI and Alien (Luc Fabresse)
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:57:36 +0100
> From: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Vm-dev] Merging FFI and Alien
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> Hi,
>
> Recently I’ve been talking with Eliot and we came to the conclusion that
> FFI and Alien repositories needs to be merged.
> Our rational is that 1) both are different ways of doing the same (often
> with same primitives) and much more important 2) Alien contains the the “de
> facto” callback mechanism supported by the VM.
> Keeping them separated and treated as two different things is negative and
> an important source of confusion for people willing to do FFI this days.
> So, here is my proposal (already talked with Eliot).
>
> 1) unify http://source.squeak.org/FFI and
> http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien into http://source.squeak.org/FFI
> That means copying into FFI repo all Alien history.
>
> 2) Rename Alien package into FFI-Alien (extract the Alien-Win32 category
> into its own package)
>
> 3) Create a ConfigurationOfFFI who takes properly FFI and FFI-Alien, etc.
>
> That means also deprecate Alien project in squeaksource (which usually is
> just put a WARNING text in home page :P)
>
> So… if nobody has a anything against this plan, I will do it next week :)
>
> cheers!
> Esteban
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:38:55 +0100
> From: Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Merging FFI and Alien
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> Hi Esteban,
>
> Question: why not "just" introducing Alien's callbacks in FFI and rename it
> (e.g. FFI-callbacks)?
>
> That would be simpler, no?
> - no Alien's history in FFI repo
> - not the full Alien's code (callout mechanism, ...) in FFI codebase
> - ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> #Luc
>
> 2016-01-24 12:57 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Recently I’ve been talking with Eliot and we came to the conclusion that
> > FFI and Alien repositories needs to be merged.
> > Our rational is that 1) both are different ways of doing the same (often
> > with same primitives) and much more important 2) Alien contains the the
> “de
> > facto” callback mechanism supported by the VM.
> > Keeping them separated and treated as two different things is negative
> and
> > an important source of confusion for people willing to do FFI this days.
> > So, here is my proposal (already talked with Eliot).
> >
> > 1) unify http://source.squeak.org/FFI and
> > http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien into http://source.squeak.org/FFI
> > That means copying into FFI repo all Alien history.
> >
> > 2) Rename Alien package into FFI-Alien (extract the Alien-Win32 category
> > into its own package)
> >
> > 3) Create a ConfigurationOfFFI who takes properly FFI and FFI-Alien, etc.
> >
> > That means also deprecate Alien project in squeaksource (which usually is
> > just put a WARNING text in home page :P)
> >
> > So… if nobody has a anything against this plan, I will do it next week :)
> >
> > cheers!
> > Esteban
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:56:52 +0100
> From: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Merging FFI and Alien
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> > On 24 Jan 2016, at 13:38, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Esteban,
> >
> > Question: why not "just" introducing Alien's callbacks in FFI and rename
> it (e.g. FFI-callbacks)?
> >
> > That would be simpler, no?
>
> no is not :)
> Callbacks works with Aliens, who are different than regular
> ExternalAddresses, then you need Aliens i.
> In the future, that could be a project (to modify callback part of
> plugin)… but for now faster approach is what I’m describing :)
>
> cheers,
> Esteban
>
>
> > - no Alien's history in FFI repo
> > - not the full Alien's code (callout mechanism, ...) in FFI codebase
> > - ...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > #Luc
> >
> > 2016-01-24 12:57 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com
> <mailto:estebanlm at gmail.com>>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Recently I’ve been talking with Eliot and we came to the conclusion that
> FFI and Alien repositories needs to be merged.
> > Our rational is that 1) both are different ways of doing the same (often
> with same primitives) and much more important 2) Alien contains the the “de
> facto” callback mechanism supported by the VM.
> > Keeping them separated and treated as two different things is negative
> and an important source of confusion for people willing to do FFI this days.
> > So, here is my proposal (already talked with Eliot).
> >
> > 1) unify http://source.squeak.org/FFI <http://source.squeak.org/FFI>
> and http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien <http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien>
> into http://source.squeak.org/FFI <http://source.squeak.org/FFI>
> > That means copying into FFI repo all Alien history.
> >
> > 2) Rename Alien package into FFI-Alien (extract the Alien-Win32 category
> into its own package)
> >
> > 3) Create a ConfigurationOfFFI who takes properly FFI and FFI-Alien, etc.
> >
> > That means also deprecate Alien project in squeaksource (which usually
> is just put a WARNING text in home page :P)
> >
> > So… if nobody has a anything against this plan, I will do it next week :)
> >
> > cheers!
> > Esteban
> >
>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:10:42 +0100
> From: Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vm-dev] Merging FFI and Alien
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> 2016-01-24 13:56 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 24 Jan 2016, at 13:38, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Esteban,
> >
> > Question: why not "just" introducing Alien's callbacks in FFI and rename
> > it (e.g. FFI-callbacks)?
> >
> > That would be simpler, no?
> >
> >
> > no is not :)
> > Callbacks works with Aliens, who are different than regular
> > ExternalAddresses, then you need Aliens i.
> > In the future, that could be a project (to modify callback part of
> > plugin)… but for now faster approach is what I’m describing :)
> >
>
> I was suspecting that I forgot part of this complicated story ;-)
> Thanks for clarifying,
>
> Luc
>
>
> >
> > cheers,
> > Esteban
> >
> >
> > - no Alien's history in FFI repo
> > - not the full Alien's code (callout mechanism, ...) in FFI codebase
> >
> > - ...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > #Luc
> >
> > 2016-01-24 12:57 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm at gmail.com>:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Recently I’ve been talking with Eliot and we came to the conclusion that
> >> FFI and Alien repositories needs to be merged.
> >> Our rational is that 1) both are different ways of doing the same (often
> >> with same primitives) and much more important 2) Alien contains the the
> “de
> >> facto” callback mechanism supported by the VM.
> >> Keeping them separated and treated as two different things is negative
> >> and an important source of confusion for people willing to do FFI this
> days.
> >> So, here is my proposal (already talked with Eliot).
> >>
> >> 1) unify http://source.squeak.org/FFI and
> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien into http://source.squeak.org/FFI
> >> That means copying into FFI repo all Alien history.
> >>
> >> 2) Rename Alien package into FFI-Alien (extract the Alien-Win32 category
> >> into its own package)
> >>
> >> 3) Create a ConfigurationOfFFI who takes properly FFI and FFI-Alien,
> etc.
> >>
> >> That means also deprecate Alien project in squeaksource (which usually
> is
> >> just put a WARNING text in home page :P)
> >>
> >> So… if nobody has a anything against this plan, I will do it next week
> :)
> >>
> >> cheers!
> >> Esteban
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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