<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Great news: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; ">José got the Squeak VM accepted into Debian, see forwarded msg below. The official page is</span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://packages.debian.org/sid/squeak-vm">http://packages.debian.org/sid/squeak-vm</a><br></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica">and the discussion leading to inclusion is here:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454635">http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454635</a><br></font><div><br></div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="font-family: Helvetica; ">- Bert -</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div></div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">José</span> Luis Redrejo" <<a href="mailto:jredrejo@gmail.com">jredrejo@gmail.com</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">March 16, 2008 16:05:08<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>GMT+01:00</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: Web page with status of squeak license issue resolution?</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Reply-To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">The general-purpose Squeak developers list <<a href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </div>squeak-vm has just been officially accepted in Debian. It will be available in the archives and mirrors tonight. In the meantime, <a href="http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html">http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html</a> has the details for it.<br> <br>As Bert suggested, dealing with the difference licenses in the sources has been the worst part of the packaging. <br>I hope the package will be useful, I've tried to make it fully compatible with current packaging schema in <a href="http://squeak.org">squeak.org</a>, but has added some things to make it more desktop friendly, thinking more in the teachers and students than in the developers who don't use to have problems in managing it.<br> <br>Regards.<br>José L.<br><br>P.S. The package contains a patch to fix a 64 bits problem and a license file that was lost in the svn, so maybe somebody with access to the upstream svn could upload these patches.<br><br><br> <br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2008/2/26, Bert Freudenberg <<a href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de">bert@freudenbergs.de</a>>:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:43 , Damien Pollet wrote:<br> <br> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> > From: José L. Redrejo Rodríguez <<a href="mailto:jredrejo@edu.juntaextremadura.net">jredrejo@edu.juntaextremadura.net</a>><br> > Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:46 AM<br> > Subject: Re: Web page with status of squeak license issue resolution?<br> > To: Petter Reinholdtsen <<a href="mailto:pere@hungry.com">pere@hungry.com</a>><br> > Cc: Damien Pollet <<a href="mailto:damien.pollet@gmail.com">damien.pollet@gmail.com</a>>, debian-<br> > <a href="mailto:edu@lists.debian.org">edu@lists.debian.org</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > El mar, 26-02-2008 a las 08:29 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen escribió:<br> ><br> ><br> >> Hi. We spoke together after your lightning talk on FOSDEM about<br> >> getting squeak into Debian. You mentioned that there is slow<br> >> progress<br> >> in getting the license question resolved, but that it is a lot of<br> >> work. Is there a web page documenting the status of this work? Like<br> >> who need to be contacted, who is already contacted and who is left to<br> >> contact?<br> >><br> >> As I mentioned earlier, we in the Debian Edu community are interested<br> >> in including squeak into our distribution, and for this reason<br> >> want to<br> >> see it in Debian/main. CC to our list to keep the other maintainers<br> >> updated on the squeak status.<br> >><br> >> I've found <URL:<a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/159">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/159</a>> and<br> >> <URL:<a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3733">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3733</a>> but did not see any<br> >> information there about the work on contacting previous authors to<br> >> get<br> >> them to agree on a relicensing.<br> >><br> ><br> ><br> > Those page are obsolete.<br> > The relicensing process is described and updated at<br> > <a href="http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016">http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016</a><br> ><br> > As the part of code that has not been relicensed is because<br> > contacting<br> > the authors has not been possible, current plans are rewritting that<br> > part of code.<br> ><br> > About taking Squeak in Debian, I have an ITP over the squeak virtual<br> > machine (#454635) and I plan to upload it as soon as I have time to<br> > finish a couple of pending patches for 64 bits platforms.<br> > There are different ways to use Squeak, people from <a href="http://squeak.org">squeak.org</a> are<br> > more<br> > focused in using squeak as a development tool, and people from<br> > <a href="http://squeakland.org">squeakland.org</a> are more focused in using it for kids and teaching and<br> > currently working on the OLPC project. My intention is to do the<br> > squeak-vm interface oriented to teachers and students and give to the<br> > interface as better integration with the desktop as possible.<br> ><br> > For future Squeak images, as soon as the license issue is<br> > finished, we<br> > can work on different images. At Extremadura we have been working on<br> > customizing the image with a more updated interface, more eyecandy<br> > and<br> > adding projects from all around the world (Germany, Japan, Spain &<br> > USA)<br> > with a lot of educative tools. The project and the image is<br> > available at<br> > <a href="http://squeak.educarex.es">http://squeak.educarex.es</a>. We have also made some interactive<br> > books for<br> > maths with the image. Those images are used in our school and will be<br> > uploaded to Debian when possible.<br> ><br> > So, in brief, today smalltalk developers are needed to recode the<br> > small<br> > part of code that has not been relicensed yet. There are some voices<br> > that say that FSF allows releasing under a free license if the<br> > percentage of code without the license is lower than 5%. If that were<br> > true it could be done today, but nobody is sure about it.<br> ><br> > Regards.<br> > José L.<br> <br> <br>A Fedora developer recently pointed out the mix of licenses in the VM<br> source code:<br> <br> > Also note, significant portions of this package appear to be dual<br> > licensed under<br> > the LGPLv2.1+ and the Squeak license, neither of which are MIT.<br> ><br> > ./platforms/Cross/plugins/JPEGReadWriter2Plugin/jcomapi.c<br> > notes it is licensed and to read a README file, but no such file<br> > exists<br> > (contrary to the Independent JPEG Group's license). It might be<br> > considered free<br> > enough, but that's not entirely clear.<br> ><br> > There's a boatload of MP3 plugin code here. MP3 is patented.<br> ><br> > ./platforms/Cross/plugins/SoundCodecPrims/ is missing a COPYRIGHT file<br> > containing the license for code in that dir too.<br> ><br> > There's a lot of stuff under a Sun copyright with a permissive<br> > license.<br> ><br> > There's stuff under the Squeak license, not dual-licensed.<br> ><br> > There's Perl-Compatible-Regular-Expressions which is yet another<br> > license...<br> ><br> > There's GPLv2+ code in ./platforms/unix/plugins/VideoForLinuxPlugin/<br> > ccvt_types.h<br> <br> <br> (from <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247983">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247983</a>)<br> <br> We intend to clean this up, which may well end up removing code. If<br> this hurts anyone, they'll surely implement a replacement ;)<br> <br><br> - Bert -<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>