<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Igor Stasenko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:siguctua@gmail.com">siguctua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 16 March 2011 09:44, Andrew Gaylard <<a href="mailto:ag@computer.org">ag@computer.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:49 AM, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 09:22:27PM +0100, Igor Stasenko wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 15 March 2011 17:35, Levente Uzonyi <<a href="mailto:leves@elte.hu">leves@elte.hu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Igor Stasenko wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> The main functional differences between SqueakVM and StackVM are:<br>
>>> >>> - StackVM requires 6505 images (maybe 6504, i'm not sure) while SqueakVM<br>
>>> >>> can<br>
>>> >>> execute 6502, 6504 and 6505 images.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> not a big deal. I think everyone aware that Cog using newer image<br>
>>> >> version(s).<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Not a big deal, for you.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Someone just mentioned, that they're using 3.10-4 VM on Solaris, so they<br>
>>> > don't use newer image versions. We also have some Squeak 3.9 images deployed<br>
>>> > and we're not planning to upgrade them yet. The latest Etoys and Cobalt<br>
>>> > releases use the old image format.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>><br>
>>> Well, if people decided to stick with old images, it is their choice.<br>
>>> And once they decide to migrate,<br>
>>> then there is a way to do that. I see nothing complicated there.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Either you stay with old MS-DOS, and run your application using DosBox , or<br>
>>> you run it on x64 compiled using modern compiler. The choice is always yours :)<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> For whatever it may be worth, I intend to continue supporting the traditional<br>
>> interpreter VM to the best of my ability for the forseeable future. I also<br>
>> intend to help as best I can to support Cog and hopefully to help merge<br>
>> code bases and reduce redundancy where possible. Finally, I think that the<br>
>> work Igor is doing for automated builds is very valuable.<br>
>><br>
>> Let's be glad for the progress that is being made with new VMs and new<br>
>> build processes, but please do not assume that this progress comes at<br>
>> the expense of all that has come before. It just ain't so.<br>
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> Igor, sorry if my question triggered a mini-flamefest. That wasn't my<br>
> intention! I was just wondering what the "general direction" of VM<br>
> development currently is. You answered it clearly. Since we have an<br>
> automated process that builds images from scratch, and since we<br>
> never store what we can generate (sound familiar! :), it's not a big<br>
> deal for us to migrate to a new format.<br>
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</div></div>Right , that the idea. Different groups of people developing different things:<br>
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- VM<br>
- kernel image<br>
- 3rd party packages<br>
- end-user applications<br>
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and in order to meet them all, all players in field should be mobile,<br>
and all pieces of puzzle should be replaceable at any moment.<br></blockquote><div><br>Sorry, I don't agree ;). It's not easy to replace people, and I don't like that idea, hehe. I can't find an Igor Stasenko everyday everywhere!<br>
<br>Cheers, <br>Guille<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Then you can move forward and exploit the new features done by another party.<br>
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> Also, I'm really grateful for the work you've done to make builds<br>
> repeatable and automated. For years now, VM development has<br>
> been plagued with "it works when *I* build it, so it must be fine"-type<br>
> of issues. Your efforts will go a long way to industrialise the VM<br>
> development and bug-fixing process.<br>
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> Many thanks,<br>
> - Andrew<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.<br>
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