<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM, <a href="mailto:phil@highoctane.be">phil@highoctane.be</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phil@highoctane.be" target="_blank">phil@highoctane.be</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br><div dir="ltr">Now, moving forward, what would be required to have an interpreter embedded in C, even if this means having another image with a special API and the whole enchilada?<div>
<br></div><div>At least a working prototype.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have looked at the "Porting the VM" document and the part about headless (which is now done differently).</div><div><br></div><div>What comes to my mind is to define a specific neutral C platform that would be able to execute basic bytecode.</div>
<div><br></div><div>From videos of Ben, I saw SystemTracer (or SystemTracer2) recreating a very tiny image making some noise to prove it was working.</div><div><br></div><div>Could it be possible to target this kind of tiny image running inside a C program through a base interpreter? This would avoid having to deal with the whole primitives and plugins at the beginning.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>Phil</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr" target="_blank">stephane.ducasse@inria.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">The main issue is that it is complicated to embed the VM in C code.<div>
That's due to how the VM is done.</div><div><br></div><div>Compared to TCL, where you can easily embed the interpreter in a C program, this is a problem. <a href="http://wiki.tcl.tk/3474" target="_blank">http://wiki.tcl.tk/3474</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Where you can embed the interpreter in a C program, you can do whatever integration you want.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, with NativeBoost, we can call C. The next challenge would be to be able to call Pharo from C by embedding the interpreter.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am curious to see what you guys think about this.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>It is one of my dream!</div><div>Now I'm too bad in C to make this dream comes true. Sadly. But I would love to have Pharo being able to </div>
<div>be embedded in C.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>I would love to see things like mod_pharo (as there is mod_php, mod_perl, mod_tcl...) in Apache.</div><div><br></div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:48 AM, kilon alios <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com" target="_blank">kilon.alios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">please note that generating dlls alone wont be enough , plugins are compiled against a runtime or specific libraries (a Plugin SDK) and Smalltalk MT would have to be able to do that in order to be a viable solution. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr" target="_blank">stephane.ducasse@inria.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">You should think that they use their smalltalk for their projects.<div><br></div><div>
Stef</div><div><br><div><div><div>On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Clément Bera <<a href="mailto:bera.clement@gmail.com" target="_blank">bera.clement@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div>How can people even know Smalltalk MT still exist with their website and their communication ?<div><br></div><div>I looked at other Smalltalks a while ago, for Smalltalk MT I clicked on "what's new" on their website and I got that:</div>
<div><br></div></div><div><span><Screen Shot 2013-12-09 at 9.18.11 AM.png></span></div><div><div><br></div><div>Then I thought this Smalltalk was dead (nothing new in the past 4 years) and I didn't look any further.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/8 Stéphane Ducasse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr" target="_blank">stephane.ducasse@inria.fr</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Yes - still alive and kicking. But I'm sure you did not notice since there<br>
> are no "big" announcements or advertising for it.<br>
> ObjectConnect follows the "time is better invested into technology" strategy.<br>
> It is one of the most interesting Smalltalks ever implemented.<br>
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</div><a href="http://www.objectconnect.com/stmt_overview.htm" target="_blank">http://www.objectconnect.com/stmt_overview.htm</a><br>
I like the idea that you can get 50kb applications.<br>
Now since this is a closed system and windows-centric.<br>
But I like that it shows that Smalltalk does not have to be the image centric way.<br>
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> The newest ST/MT 6.3 version (now 64 bit) is from end of November 2013<br>
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</div>Now it is not a community thing. :)<br>
And the web site stop and 5.6 in 2009.<br>
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Last time I talk to tarrick he told me that he could control the "no gc in the next 250 frames on PS2"<br>
but it was in 1998 :)<br>
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Stef<br>
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