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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/2015 04:23 PM, Eliot Miranda
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<div>On 12/19/2015 02:09 AM, Eliot Miranda wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Eliot, what does Sista do and how is that
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Run-time adaptive optimisation via an SSA-based
image-level bytecode-to-bytecode inlining compiler.
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system. Does it compare to what other JITs
are doing in various VMs?</span><br>
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Yes it does. Clément recently attended a
workshop at Google and found that Sista is very
similar in the kinds of optimisations it
performs to V8 and Dart. The key research
funding will be how close the performance of
targeting stack-oriented bytecode that the Cog
JIT converts to register-based code can be made
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This sounds like you are saying that Sista performs
better or more naturally with stack-oriented bytecode.
If you wouldn't mind taking the time to explore it with
us, what's the difference between stack-oriented and
register-based code, such that Sista would be different
between them? I'm off to read some.<br>
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<div>I'd rather not. That's something there's lots of papers
on, and I'm not sure it's really important that I
explain. Yoiu can inform yourself, and the Sista talks I
pointed to at least mention the topic. I will say that
our thesis is that we can generate efficient
register-based machine code from stack-oriented bytecode,
and that's one of the things we're trying to demonstrate
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That's all very interesting to me, surely,just to know if not to
play. It is the physics of this world and I studied that and am
oriented that way. Clement's talk touched on it (was it constructing
and deconstucting the machine code and rewriting the stack to point
to registers...I think). <br>
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I was actually much more curious about this CPIC. Is there a
write-up about that so I minimize my distracting you?<br>
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<span>On 12/18/2015 11:11 PM, Eliot Miranda
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please keep the original Smalltalk
non-primitive implementation around do
that when we deliver Sista we can see
how well we stack up against C.</span><br>
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it could be done in Smalltalk,
because that means we can all</span><br>
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play with it in the image, and
write unit tests to validate and</span><br>
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its behavior. We can figure out
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Smalltalk (and yes I will help</span><br>
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smalltalk implmentation that came
from Google Java code and is</span><br>
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implemented in squeak/pharo. I am
intermittently fixing byte</span><br>
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in the payload, so it is working to
a degree. Check out the</span><br>
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GenericGF, GenericGFPoly and
GaloisField to see the insides.</span><br>
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galoisField which builds a</span><br>
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Decoder. That last is where the
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suggestion would be that once you have
a fairly good working</span><br>
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that you are comfortable with from a
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let's look at which methods in that
implementation would benefit</span><br>
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translated to primitives in C. It
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a profiler on your Smalltalk
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being spent. Those would be the things
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But first things first, let's get it
working 100% (not "to a</span><br>
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then we can do the translation to
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