<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Zak:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I use the Smalltalk forums using the webpage below. I am lost using the emails. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><a href="http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-f1294792.topics.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-f1294792.topics.html</a><br><br>I am not a VM guy. But I want to encourage all newcomers and new ideas. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">For most people it would really help to see one example use case where your Smalltalk is better than Squeak and Pharo. Why yours can do it while the others cannot. <br><br>All the best,<br>Aik-Siong Koh</div><div><br>On May 19, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Zak Fenton [via Smalltalk] <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4947715&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style='border-left:2px solid #CCCCCC;padding:0 1em' type="cite"><div>
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<p>Sorry, I got threads in wrong order here (I'm not so used to mailing lists). <span>This response is for Ben.</span> My wonderful email client isn't letting me quote properly either.
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<p>Yes, whole system fits in <1MB. It's roughly 270KB for the complete core system (100KB VM, 170KB image) and about 700KB with all of the extensions and libraries.</p>
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<p>My images are still much bigger than they need to be. I haven't tried an absolute minimal one without the compiler and such - but the higher-level stuff (GUI, threading, other extension-specific things) is all optional.</p>
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<p>As for the problem of marketing a Smalltalk VM (chicken and egg, Smalltalk being a niche), well, I have a very simple solution: Sell it as something else (a game design tool, for example). I do want to sell a generic "SDK" product as well, and this will
look more like Smalltalk, but the "app store" versions will probably be more like PICO-8, i.e. "fun" and "beginner-friendly" development tools (not language-focused).</p>
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<p>(There will be versions with source code as well. My current plan is probably to release "stable" versions with full source, but keep new features closed-source until they make it into a stable release. This should solve a few issues and result in a healthy
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<p>I was initially going to target it at existing Lua users (it's very easy to implement Lua in Smalltalk, of course), but they were too confused about persistence actually working, so I figured having a GUI toolkit and threading libraries built-in would be
too much for them :). Turning the product into a kind-of "premium Lua" might still be an option though.</p>
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<p>You're probably right about needing a demo release to attract more interest. Good news is, I should have an update very shortly about funding, I just don't want to jinx it :).</p>
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<p>I'm in Canberra. Was hoping to visit WA this year actually but didn't end up happening.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 20 May 2017 11:23:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Squeak Virtual Machine Development Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vm-dev] Embeddable/scalable Smalltalk VM needs funding for release (repost/update from squeak-dev)</font>
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<p>Hi Askoh. I did have some in-depth discussions with another engineer from one of these lists (I think that was in a private thread though), and I can answer any specific questions you may have (e.g. about the threading model or interpreter core), but I guess
you'll have to wait for the public alpha to know for sure if I'm telling the truth or not :).</p>
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<p>It isn't a very hard-to-believe product when you see it in action. It's just the combination of features that makes it potentially powerful, it doesn't really introduce any new magic.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 19 May 2017 11:19:15 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vm-dev] Embeddable/scalable Smalltalk VM needs funding for release (repost/update from squeak-dev)</font>
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Has any VM expert checked out this claim? Please comment.<br>
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