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<p>Sorry, I got threads in wrong order here (I'm not so used to mailing lists). <span>This response is for Ben.</span> My wonderful email client isn't letting me quote properly either.
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<p>Yes, whole system fits in <1MB. It's roughly 270KB for the complete core system (100KB VM, 170KB image) and about 700KB with all of the extensions and libraries.</p>
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<p>My images are still much bigger than they need to be. I haven't tried an absolute minimal one without the compiler and such - but the higher-level stuff (GUI, threading, other extension-specific things) is all optional.</p>
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<p>As for the problem of marketing a Smalltalk VM (chicken and egg, Smalltalk being a niche), well, I have a very simple solution: Sell it as something else (a game design tool, for example). I do want to sell a generic "SDK" product as well, and this will
look more like Smalltalk, but the "app store" versions will probably be more like PICO-8, i.e. "fun" and "beginner-friendly" development tools (not language-focused).</p>
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<p>(There will be versions with source code as well. My current plan is probably to release "stable" versions with full source, but keep new features closed-source until they make it into a stable release. This should solve a few issues and result in a healthy
balance.)<br>
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<p>I was initially going to target it at existing Lua users (it's very easy to implement Lua in Smalltalk, of course), but they were too confused about persistence actually working, so I figured having a GUI toolkit and threading libraries built-in would be
too much for them :). Turning the product into a kind-of "premium Lua" might still be an option though.</p>
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<p>You're probably right about needing a demo release to attract more interest. Good news is, I should have an update very shortly about funding, I just don't want to jinx it :).</p>
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<p>I'm in Canberra. Was hoping to visit WA this year actually but didn't end up happening.<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Zak Fenton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 20 May 2017 11:23:06 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vm-dev] Embeddable/scalable Smalltalk VM needs funding for release (repost/update from squeak-dev)</font>
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<p>Hi Askoh. I did have some in-depth discussions with another engineer from one of these lists (I think that was in a private thread though), and I can answer any specific questions you may have (e.g. about the threading model or interpreter core), but I guess
you'll have to wait for the public alpha to know for sure if I'm telling the truth or not :).</p>
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<p>It isn't a very hard-to-believe product when you see it in action. It's just the combination of features that makes it potentially powerful, it doesn't really introduce any new magic.</p>
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Has any VM expert checked out this claim? Please comment.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Aik-Siong Koh<br>
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