<div dir="ltr"><div>This looks more like psychotic symptoms and obsessional/delusional disorders than constructive and positive attitude.<br>This is not going anywhere but round in circles.<br>It's time to administer some remedy.<br></div>David, could you switch on the moderate flag ?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-30 8:14 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barniisk@gmail.com" target="_blank">barniisk@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.cadence.com/" target="_blank">https://www.cadence.com/</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-30 8:12 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barniisk@gmail.com" target="_blank">barniisk@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Giga scale, giga hertz, washed SoCs<span> </span></span><span class="m_-4597901536674558765m_-5143632922477384835gmail-_47e3 m_-4597901536674558765m_-5143632922477384835gmail-_5mfr" title="smile – emotikon" style="line-height:0;vertical-align:middle;margin:0px 1px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><img class="m_-4597901536674558765m_-5143632922477384835gmail-img" src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/f4c/1/16/1f642.png" alt="" style="border:0px;vertical-align:-3px" width="16" height="16"></span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-4597901536674558765h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-30 7:17 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barniisk@gmail.com" target="_blank">barniisk@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">GAME OVER :)<div><br></div><div>One pair of my smelly socs ws  <span style="color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:24px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:300;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">giga-scale, giga-hertz SoCs<span> </span></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-4597901536674558765m_-5143632922477384835h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-30 5:26 GMT+02:00 Jan Barger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:barniisk@gmail.com" target="_blank">barniisk@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Much of the stability issues are not related to speed but to the conversion to 64-bits, </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What i see on Eliot web pages are these most often occured words:</div><div><br></div><div>fast     ( cogblog )</div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">double its speed      ( VW )</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">chip design support  ( hic current company )</span><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">But, where are the nice and beutiful high ideas like these from Allan Kay and others? </span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Where are final simlicity and usability?  </span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Sorry this Eliot thinking and programming style ( assembler like thinking and supit overoptimizations ) is leading to some kind of all asociated programmers hell ...</span></span></div><div>COG, SPUR whatewer next - he is the number 1. in Open VM and it seems nobody else is care about where it leads and how to change it<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>which is *critical* for our community since over time modern operating systems are making it harder to run 32-bit applications.  A lot of the complexity is probably in the Cog-JIT, so perhaps StackInterpreter build of the VM would provide the balance of stability and speed you desire (@All, how would you rate that option?)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe i will try anything where Eliot is not putting his hands.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>btw, again I ask...</div><div>1. Which OS version were you running Pharo on?  </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Pharo 6.1 on Debian Linux  </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2. Were you running 32-bit or 64-bit Pharo?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>Both version, old images and vm work OK</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>3. Which links did you download Pharo from?  i.e. what is the version/date of both VM and Image?   Often we can advise that specific VM/Image has a known bug that has since been fixed. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://pharo.org/web/download" target="_blank">http://pharo.org/web/download</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I will try squeak, and then give you my opinion. But i preffer Pharo for Seaside support and style and more proffesional look of webpage and previous good images and vms.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Jan.</div><div>www.mageo.club</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div></div>
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