<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 March 2018 at 20:44, David T. Lewis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" target="_blank">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span><br>
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 07:29:13PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:<br>
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> Changing the subject line in case follow up discussion is needed.<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:02:25PM -0700, Eliot Miranda wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 3:13 AM, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com" target="_blank">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The tone and wording of this post are not appropriate for this mailing list.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > As list admin, I have temporarily set the "moderate" bit on the poster's account.<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > Let's not be too precious. I'm happy to debate him on this and it's important.<br>
> ><br>
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> I put a "moderate" flag on a list poster who had sent what I perceived<br>
> to be a personal attack with abusive language and no meaningful factual<br>
> content. I did this not only because the post was inappropriate, but also<br>
> because abusive trolling can be harmful and distracting, and I thought<br>
> it better to hit the pause pause button sooner rather than later.<br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Dave,</div><div><br></div><div>I think your first instinct was appropriate. </div><div>It was not a ban. Acting immediately provides a <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">strong direction to amend behaviour,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">and </span>keeping it short gives a second chance to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>I find this good advice...</div><div><div>>> Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. </div><div>>> Remember: When that hacker tells you that you've screwed up, and (no matter how gruffly) tells you not to do it again, he's acting out of concern for (1) you and (2) his community. It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. </div></div><div>
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">(</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><a href="http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing">http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing</a>)</span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Going forward. </div><div>I think its clear from the community outpouring how we appreciate Eliot.</div><div>Further defense of honour may be noise feeding a troll or leading Jan off topic.</div><div>So lets double our own efforts to keep our responses to Jan concise and technical focused</div><div>and monitor how that pans out. </div><div><br></div><div>cheers -ben</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span>
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> The vm-dev list has for many years been inhabited by talented and constructive<br>
> people who like to do good work, and who like to help others do the same.<br>
> I have quietly served as the list admin, and I have never had to deal with<br>
> any problem more serious than an accidentally oversized PNG attachment.<br>
> We should all be proud of that.<br>
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> If anyone would like to see the messages that have been blocked so far,<br>
> I will be happy to forward them to private email. But unless the members<br>
> of this list say otherwise, I will leave them blocked.<br>
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</span>I have removed the "moderate" flag, and all is back to normal.<br>
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Dave<br>
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