<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:19 AM Marcel Taeumel <<a href="mailto:marcel.taeumel@hpi.de">marcel.taeumel@hpi.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div id="gmail-m_-5416005190550458999__MailbirdStyleContent" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-align:left" dir="ltr">
Hi Eliot --<div></div>
<div><br></div><div>No, this cannot be preserved on the VM side without again introducing that major performance regression that has been there for several years now on the macOS platform. I strongly argue that we keep the VM platform code this way.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">You *cannot* just break older images. This constitutes a fork in the VM.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div id="gmail-m_-5416005190550458999__MailbirdStyleContent" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-align:left" dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>However, it can *very easily* be fixed in most (if not all) older images. Just disable deferred (display) updates as it was not supported on macOS for a very (!) long time:</div><div><br></div><div><div><span style="font-size:13.3333px"> PasteUpMorph disableDeferredUpdates: true.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13.3333px"> Project allMorphicProjects do: [:ea | ea world canvas: nil].</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">If it can be fixed easily at the image level then it can be fixed at the VM level, for example, by adding a status bit to new images which invokes the new behaviour in the VM. Haivng to modify old images is ass backwards.;</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div id="gmail-m_-5416005190550458999__MailbirdStyleContent" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);text-align:left" dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">To reproduce take e.g. Squeak 6.0 alpha [...]</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">No, </span><span style="font-size:10pt">Squeak6.0alpha (Trunk) does not show this issue unless it is not an updated image. Still, this update has been part of the update stream for several weeks now.</span></div><div><br></div><div>> [...] <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">or the ;ast of the 5.x line [...]</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The above snippet accounts for this *very easily*. It even works in Squeak 4.x. This is an image-side thing. It always has been. Since 1999. This is not a VM issue.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:10pt">Best,</span><br></div><div>Marcel</div><div><br></div><div>P.S.: Keep in mind that ST80-style "Fast dragging" is always an alternative in older images:</div><div> Preferences enable: #fastDragWindowForMorphic.</div><blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-top:20px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;min-width:500px">
<p style="color:rgb(170,170,170);margin-top:10px">Am 27.04.2022 03:29:31 schrieb Eliot Miranda <<a href="mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eliot.miranda@gmail.com</a>>:</p><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> Hi Marcel,
<br>
<br> the issue of windows being invisible when dragged in the new VM is a
<br>major bug. The VM needs to be backwards compatible. It souldn't break old
<br>images. So we need to find a way of restoring the default behaviour in
<br>images that don't set the relevant preference.
<br>
<br>To reproduce take e.g. Squeak 6.0 alpha or the ;ast of the 5.x line and
<br>simply try and move a window about As soon as the window starts to move it
<br>disappears and then reappears when the mouse button is released. This must
<br>be fixed.
<br>_,,,^..^,,,_
<br>best, Eliot
<br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:10pt">Hi Marcel,</div><div style="font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:10pt"> the issue of windows being invisible when dragged in the new VM is a major bug. The VM needs to be backwards compatible. It souldn't break old images. So we need to find a way of restoring the default behaviour in images that don't set the relevant preference.</div><div style="font-size:10pt"><br></div><div style="font-size:10pt">To reproduce take e.g. Squeak 6.0 alpha or the ;ast of the 5.x line and simply try and move a window about As soon as the window starts to move it disappears and then reappears when the mouse button is released. This must be fixed.</div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:10pt;border-collapse:separate"><div>_,,,^..^,,,_<br></div><div>best, Eliot</div></span></div></div></div></div>
<br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:small;border-collapse:separate"><div>_,,,^..^,,,_<br></div><div>best, Eliot</div></span></div></div></div></div>