[Fwd: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

[Brad Fuller]

Jason Rogers wrote:

>In that "Object-Oriented" was coined by Alan Kay I think it is still
>fair to say that Smalltalk is the original.  However, if it would
>improve the read-ability of our home page (by not reigniting deep
>flames of resentment and/or purism) I wouldn't mind going with
>'pioneering' instead of 'original'.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
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we could 'enhance' it by saying something like:
'the most significant pioneering'

which is a positioning claim.

>On 12/3/05, karl <karl.ramberg at chello.se> wrote:
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>>I'm forwarding to the list. What do people think ?
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>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>From: Max Hailperin <max at gustavus.edu>
>>To: karl <karl.ramberg at chello.se>
>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:11:41 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website
>>On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:55 AM, karl wrote:
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>>>Max Hailperin skrev:
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>>>>The Squeak home page's claim that "Smalltalk is the original
>>>>object  oriented language" is historically suspect.  That honor is
>>>>usually  given to Simula.
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>>>>
>>>Smalltalk is inspired by Simula. Simula is a extension to Algol.
>>>The term object oriented was coined by Alan Kay describing Smalltalk
>>>Smalltalk was the first objects- all-the-way-down system.
>>>Take a look at http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/
>>>EarlyHistoryST.html
>>>The article is flawed by lot's of spelling errors :-(
>>>
>>>karl
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>>I'm familiar with Kay's HOPL paper, and I stand by my assertion that
>>making a bald claim that Smalltalk is the original OO language is
>>suspect.  Because definitions are fuzzy, claims like this can't be
>>judged true or false.  However, the credibility of the Squeak project
>>would be enhanced if the web page were to make instead a claim that
>>would rally consensus support, rather than one that would divide
>>readers into those who agree and those who disagree.  Just by
>>substituting the words "a pioneering" for "the original", you would
>>have a claim that no one would object to, that would be respectful of
>>the important work that Dahl and Nygaard did on Simula, and that
>>would still accurately reflect the importance of Smalltalk.  It is of
>>course your web page, and you are welcome to accept or reject my
>>advice as you choose.  I'm just trying to be helpful by making a
>>suggestion, not trying to get into a debate.  -max
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