[Fwd: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

[Max Hailperin]

Sounds like a reasonable approach to me.  -max

On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:50 PM, goran at krampe.se wrote:

> Dear Max and webteam,
>
> Jason Rogers <jacaetevha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In that "Object-Oriented" was coined by Alan Kay I think it is still
>> fair to say that Smalltalk is the original.  However, if it would
>> improve the read-ability of our home page (by not reigniting deep
>> flames of resentment and/or purism) I wouldn't mind going with
>> 'pioneering' instead of 'original'.
>
> I am the author of the current first page and yes, I am aware of the
> relationship/history of Simula/Smalltalk etc. Especially since I am  
> from
> Scandinavia. :)
>
> The intention was not to belittle Simula (being the first language  
> with
> object oriented ideas). I still would call Smalltalk the first object
> *oriented* language. In fact, AFAIK Simula didn't even use those terms
> when introduced, but more importantly Smalltalk is totally *oriented*
> around objects. Simula is not.
>
> But you are right - no need to use a phrase inviting needless  
> discussion
> :). How about:
>
> "When Smalltalk was created more than 35 years ago it *defined the  
> term
> object orientation* and is the first language in which *everything is
> built from objects*. Smalltalk is deeply inspired by ideas from
> especially Simula, Sketchpad and Lisp and even today Smalltalk sets  
> the
> bar for object oriented dynamically typed interactive languages and
> environments."
>
> Or variations on the above? We should also make "Simula", "Sketchpad"
> and "Lisp" into proper links.
>
> regards, Göran