[Wxsqueak] An offer to help out!

[Pablo Iaria]

Hi all,

I've been using wxSqueak to do a simple small desktop application.
What Rob did was really really great!

In the beginning I used wxGlade to build the ui. But then I found
other way to write less code with the pluggables widgets.
I think it could be very nice to have more of those widgets in the
distribution of wxSqueak.

Keep on working with this terrific piece of software!

Pablo.-

On 11/30/06, Rob Rothwell <r.j.rothwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Anyone reading this list will think you have started talking to
> yourself...if it becomes an issue, I'll change my name!
>
> At your suggestion I am moving the conversation to the mailing list (maybe
> some more interest will be drummed up when people are Googling).
>
> At any rate, thank you for the invitation!  I am looking forward to it, and
> I figure my biggest contribution over your next round will probably be
> testing things you are working on, and in so doing I will naturally get up
> to speed on your work as I gain some natural entry points into your code
> during curious debugging...
>
> (Undoubtedly, philosophical conversation will ensue!)
>
> Thanks again; I'm looking forward to providing any help I can,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On 11/30/06, Rob Gayvert <rtg at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > My wxSqueak work has been dormant the past few months, as I have been
> > waiting for the lastest versions of Squeak (3.9) and wxWidgets (2.8) to
> > go final. Now that they're almost there, I plan to ramp up again shortly.
> >
> > I'd be delighted to get some help, or even just some usage reports.
> > After an initial flurry of discussion last year, I haven't heard from
> > many people, so I don't know if anyone else is still interested.
> >
> > As for the printing bug, I've seen it crash at times, so I know there
> > are some issues there, but I haven't looked into it much further. In 0.5
> > I'll try to get this straightened out.
> >
> > Having a mingw build setup would be great, so that's a perfect place for
> > you to start. This is important for performance, because the best I can
> > do with a VM built with MSVC6 is about half the speed of the stock
> > Windows VM, which is compiled with the gnuify options using mingw.
> >
> > Let's move our discussions over to the mailing list at
> > wxsqueak at lists.squeakfoundation.org.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > .. Rob
> >
> >
> > Rob Rothwell wrote:
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > It seems I could not contain my usual long-winded nature, so in summary,
> > > 1)  I have a wxSqeak "bug" report I could not find a reference to on the
> > > squeak lists, and 2)  I would also like to offer to help out with this
> > > project in any way that I could, making the big assumption that you
> > > would want any help.  Verbose details follow:
> > >
> > > First, as a sort of "hmm...interesting" "bug" report, I haven't been
> > > able to get any of the "print demos" in the WxDemoFrame class (such as
> > > WxPrintDialogDemo or WxPrintFrameworkDemo) to work on Windows XP in
> > > either the 0.4 or 0.4.1 demos downloaded from wxsqueak.org
> > > <http://wxsqueak.org>.  I also successfully built my own 3.8 wxSqueak
> > > image "by hand" with the same result, but the interesting thing is that
> > > these demos both work on my machine from a 0.04alpha wxMorphic demo
> > > project.  Things that make you go "hmmm..."
> > >
> > > Next, I am rather decent intuitive debugger with 20+ years of [self
> > > taught] programming experience and a knack for finding bugs in languages
> > > I barely understand.  I am just learning Sqeak/Smalltalk, but have a lot
> > > of low level Windows programming experience from a past life, albeit
> > > using home-grown virtual "jump-tables" with Eric Issacson's A386 and a
> > > Borland linker instead of a "modern" C/C++ compilers (which I can use
> > > but have just never...enjoyed as much as Assembly).  For high level
> > > work, I have always been a fan of the simplicity of BASIC, but have
> > > longed for a way to combine that simplicity with a low-level ability to
> > > do whatever you want in an "elegent" manner (unlike the hacks required
> > > in ANY VB project!).  Enter Smalltalk.  I should have studied Computer
> > > Science instead of Physics and I could have saved myself the trouble of
> > > trying to create such a system that already existed without my knowledge
> > > (but that's another story)!
> > >
> > > At any rate...I don't know how to make the offer because I have never
> > > worked with someone at a distance, but would you like some help with
> > > wxSqueak?  You are essentially laying the foundation to use Squeak as a
> > > cross-platform VM in a way that could make it, well, useful!  Nothing
> > > against the integrated Squeak World, but they have a long way to go to
> > > take that vision to fruition in terms of competing with the various
> > > operating systems for the way users want to "run" their programs.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I guess I am offering to help because what I want to "do" with
> > > wxSqueak is create a more robust, but "realistic" way of programming in
> > > Squeak for the masses--I think you could go far beyond "GUI builder" to
> > > a true "object" experience beyond what .NET and the like have to offer
> > > (again, another story), and it seems like that is at least similar to
> > > the direction you are headed in as well.  I'm not sure why this is
> > > coming out of MY mouth, but why reinvent something if someone is already
> > > working on it?  Why not try to help instead?  I would need to get the
> > > right tools loaded for compiling, etc, and get up to speed on your work,
> > > but I would be happy to assist in the effort.  However, maybe you enjoy
> > > doing it all yourself--I sure know how that goes!
> > >
> > > Let me know if you are interested, and we could talk about how I could
> > > be useful to you.  In the meantime I'll try to get the Ming compiler up
> > > and running and have a shot at understanding your code and how these
> > > "primitives" work in Sqeak.  Either way, I have already got more out of
> > > your work than almost two years of poking around in Squeak simply
> > > because I could relate to the problem.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time,
> > >
> > > Rob Rothwell
> > >
> > > --
> > > The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise reject
> > > what they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po
> >
> >
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> --
> The foolish reject what they see, not what they think; the wise reject what
> they think, not what they see.  -- Huang Po