Hi Christoph,

at the moment i dont have a Windows system to play with. Too slow in VMWare, i deleted the image. So i can t check anything related. 

... sorry for typos last Apple update crippled the capability of correcting single characters, blame on them for this gross mistake. 

If you want to try Unix in Windows i highly reccomend you try Cygwin. I could not live in Windows without a decent ssh, Cygwin solved as far as i remember. Once you are ready to do the real thing install the Unix in a virtual machine. VirtualBox works well and is free.

Unix is hard but logical. it has a view of the world and follows it. IMO BSD are cleaner and more well thought than Linux, great documentation. Linux has other benefits, better driver support, larger userbase, higher momentum. BTW, linux means nothing, you need to choose a distribution. My favourite was always Debian, clean and solid. 

I still din t have a clear view on this, but i feel Squeak may not the be the most appropriate tool for Unix scripting. Parobably GNUSmalltalk is the wise way to go down that path. 

bye
nicola




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On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:27 AM, Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:



Hi Dave,


thank you for the detailed answer!


Actually, WSL is emulating a real unix system and it uses bash, so things like `cowsay Hello world` work indeed.

Is it possible that squeak does not support unix in general, but only certain distributions? It would be very nice to use it from WSL, which is becoming more important on Windows compared to the classic cmd.exe.


Regarding Travis: I found a few scripts such as https://github.com/hpi-swa/vivide/blob/master/scripts/prepare_image.sh#L64 that are calling Smalltalk as well. Why does that work, I would not assume that each Travis execution environment comes with a display driver, does it?


@Nicola Maybe you will want to have a look at CommandLineToolSet?


Best,

Christoph


Von: Beginners <beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org> im Auftrag von David T. Lewis <lewis@mail.msen.com>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Oktober 2019 03:11:16
An: A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak.
Betreff: Re: [Newbies] Running Squeak in a Unix shell
 
Hi Christoph,

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:41:16PM +0000, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this a question by a shell noob: How can I use Squeak in a unix shell to run a command such as:
>
> ./squeak foo.image bar.st
>
> I would like to do this in my WSL shell (Windows Subsystem for Linux) as well as on Travis.
>
> WSL says:
>
> squeak: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>

The command line that you gave ("./squeak foo.image bar.st") would be
appropriate on a Unix system (Linux, OS X, or whatever) if you have
a file called "squeak" in your current directory, and if that file
is an executable file such as a shell script or a compiled executable.

I am not familiar with WSL, but assuming that it is trying to behave
like a Unix shell, I would interpret the error message as follows:

- The shell tried to execute the file "./squeak", where the "./"
portion of the file path means "in the current directory", and "squeak"
is the name of the file to be executed.

- It found the file, and tried to open it. You did not see a "file
not found" error, so there actually must be a file called "squeak" in
your local directory, and the file has execute permissions, so all
good so far.

- The shell then tried to execute the "squeak" program. This means
that the shell saw that the file was marked executable, and it asked
the operating system to "exec" the file (on a Unix system, this will
fork the shell process and overlay the executable in the new process,
see http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/exec.3.html).

- For some reason, the file could not be executed ("Exec format error").

This suggest to me that the WSL environment did not know how to
execute the "squeak" file. Maybe it was a compiled binary (such as
a compiled VM) that the WSL system did not recognize, or maybe WSL
was not smart enough to figure out how to evaluate a shell script,
I don't know.

>
> Travis (without explicit OS setting, so I'm assuming unix as well) says:
>
> squeak: could not find any display driver

Travis is probably running on a real Unix system (or Linux, which
is very similar). Whatever it is, you can safely bet that it does
not provide a graphical display system such as X11, because a CI
system such as Travis is intended to run things remotely on a
server with no graphical user interface. So most likely, you are
trying to run a VM with graphical display on an operating system
that does not provide display services.

A Squeak VM will normally try to find a graphical display driver
unless you explicitly tell it (with a command line option) not to
do so. If you just run Squeak on a server with no X11 (or similar)
installed, the VM will try to open a display module, and when it
fails, it will give you an error message:

    platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixMain.c:      fprintf(stderr, "squeak: could not find any display driver\n");

The solution for this problem is specific to the Unix VM (in other
words, don't try this on your Windows VM). You can run the VM without
using an active display by using the '-vm-display-null' command
line parameter. On a Unix system, run "squeak -help" to see the
available options.

Thus, if you had a command such as this for running Squeak:

        ./squeak foo.image bar.st

Then you can run it in "headless" mode like this:

        ./squeak -vm-display-null foo.image bar.st

The Unix Squeak VM has loadable VM modules for things like soound
and the display, so -vm-display-null tells the VM to load the null
display driver instead of the vm-display-X11 or vm-display-Quartz
modules.

HTH,
Dave


>
> To run a script in headless mode, I should not need any graphical output? How can I achieve this? I would greatly appreciate your help!
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph

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