Box-Admins November 2013

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Disk space usage on box3
by Ken Causey 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

The disk space on box3 is beginning to get dangerously low on filesystem space. At the moment it is 94% full with 3.8GB of free space. Lately it seems to increase 1% every 2 or 3 days. Primary offenders seem to be /var/lib/jenkins/ 33GB /home/ssdotcom/ 18GB I hope one or both of you can find something to delete. Ken

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Re: [squeak-dev] Squeaksource down?
by David T. Lewis 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

CC to box-admins list. Something certainly seems wrong, but I cannot tell what. I was recently granted access to box2.squeak.org, which hosts the mail services, the source.squeak.org web server, and the squeak.org web site, so I can log in and look at it. The mail delivery is working, otherwise you would not be reading this. But both the source.squeak.org and squeak.org web sites are unresponsive. I see nothing obviously wrong on the server. The web server images are running, there is adequate free disk space, and there are no rogue processes gobbling up CPU. Dave On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 02:12:55PM -0800, Eliot Miranda wrote: > back up it appeared and then down again > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Nicolas Cellier < > nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/source.squeak.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

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Server needed for squeaksource hosting [caracciolo@iam.unibe.ch: Re: squeaksource.com transition to new server]
by David T. Lewis 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

We now have access to a complete snapshot copy of SqueakSource. I am in the process of retrieving the files to my personal PC (not yet complete, I'm still trying to get a clean copy of one large 15GB file), and I will now need a place to put them on squeak.org. I need some help to proceed. We need a server with 20 to 30 GB of file space available for the SqueakSource files, and with memory and CPU resources similar to whatever we are currently doing for source.squeak.org. Can someone help, either by giving me access to an existing server, or by letting me know what is available? I will need a user account (lewis) similar to my current account on build.squeak.org, and I will need sudo privilege to set up an account for squeaksource and to set up the runtime environment. In addition it would be helpful if I could get enough access to the source.squeak.org server so that I can look at it and figure out how that server is configured. Even better would be if the source.squeak.org server has enough capacity (mainly disk space) to also host squeaksource, in which case we can put both of them on the same server. I would like to do this as soon as possible (tomorrow perhaps?) so any assistance and pointers will be gratefully received. Thanks, Dave ----- Forwarded message from Andrea Caracciolo <caracciolo(a)iam.unibe.ch> ----- From: Andrea Caracciolo <caracciolo(a)iam.unibe.ch> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:41:33 +0200 Subject: Re: squeaksource.com transition to new server To: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> Cc: Fabrizio Perin <perin(a)iam.unibe.ch>, Andrei Vasile Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com>, Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de>, Andrea CARACCIOLO <caracciolo(a)iam.unibe.ch>, Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch>, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com>, denker(a)acm.org Hi David, We have made all the files available at the following url: http://scg.unibe.ch/download/SSdump/ username: password: Let me know if you need anything else. > we would switch DNS entries at some agreed time after the move has been successfully completed. I made a quick WHOIS lookup and it seems that the domain is owned by Marcus Denker (in CC). I will keep the site running until you manage to set everything up on your side. Please keep me informed. Cheers _____________________________ Andrea Caracciolo - caracciolo(a)iam.unibe.ch Software Composition Group University of Bern

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squeak-dev mailing list broken? (was Fwd: Deprecation preferences)
by Frank Shearar 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

I've sent several mails to squeak-dev but I see no evidence that they arrived (through looking at http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2013-November/date.h…). I've not seen any commit mails there either, from the commits I issued today. Is the list broken? (He says, sending a mail to a different list on the same box.) frank ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> Date: 23 November 2013 19:10 Subject: Deprecation preferences To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> There are quite a few places in Kernel that reference Preferences showDeprecationWarnings. I'd like to turn this preference into a new-world pragma based preference, and Deprecation (despite being an exception) seems like a good place to hang the preference. So instead of saying "Preferences showDeprecationWarnings" you'd say "Deprecation showWarnings", and the preference would be called "Show deprecation warnings". Any strong objection? frank

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Build.squeak.org jobs stuck
by Ken Causey 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

I would really appreciate it if someone with Jenkins expertise would look at the situation with build.squeak.org (aka box3). Multiple jobs are stuck and some date back to the 17th. I would just kill them but it seems to me the problem will be right back in a matter of hours or no more than a day. If nothing else maybe the problem job(s) can simply be suspended temporarily. Ken

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Outdated CD/DVD sales link
by Bert Freudenberg 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

Whoever has the power to edit the website, please remove the "Buy the CD/DVD" sections from http://www.squeak.org/Download/SqueakCD/ and http://www.squeak.org/Download/SqueakDVD/ Deleting both pages and the links to it would be great, too. (We just got a payed order and cannot fulfill it anymore) - Bert -

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RE: [Box-Admins] Disk space usage on box3
by Ken Causey 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

You may be right. I didn't mean to imply that ssdotcom was an 'increasing in size' offender but a large target in terms of filesystem space. It does seem more likely that Jenkins temporary files could use cleanup. I also have to wonder about some of the jobs listed on build.squeak.org that have not succeeded in 6 months or more. Can some of these be pruned? Ken > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Disk space usage on box3 > From: Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sat, November 16, 2013 5:43 pm > To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > That is about right for ssdotcom. I'm doubtful it's responsible for > the daily expansion. > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Ken Causey <ken(a)kencausey.com> wrote: > > The disk space on box3 is beginning to get dangerously low on filesystem > > space. At the moment it is 94% full with 3.8GB of free space. Lately it > > seems to increase 1% every 2 or 3 days. > > > > Primary offenders seem to be > > > > /var/lib/jenkins/ 33GB > > > > /home/ssdotcom/ 18GB > > > > I hope one or both of you can find something to delete. > > > > Ken

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source.squeak.org startup issue resolved?
by Ken Causey 16 Nov '13

16 Nov '13

In preparation for our chat later today regarding SqueakSource issues I should note that late yesterday I seem to have stumbled onto a (I say 'A') solution for the issue we have had with source.squeak.org where supervise (daemontools) was not able to start, or at least keep running, the source.squeak.org instance. I 'fixed' it by modifying the run script so that it refers directly to the VM executable (under /usr/local/lib/) rather than use the shell script in /usr/local/bin/. I don't understand why this fixed it, I don't understand why it ever broke. In fact I'm pretty sure I tried this before to no effect. Confused, Ken

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RE: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?)
by Ken Causey 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

OK, see you then. Ken > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page > (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) > From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 9:02 pm > To: ma.chris.m(a)gmail.com, Squeak Hosting Support > <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > OK, let's make it 3:30pm CST :-) > > Dave > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 08:58:17PM -0600, Chris Muller wrote: > > The only time I would have available within Ken's hours would be 3-5PM Saturday. > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Ken Causey <ken(a)kencausey.com> wrote: > > > I'm on Central Standard Time. At the moment the only time I know of > > > that won't work for me is from about 11AM to 2 or 3PM CST on Saturday. > > > > > > Ken > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > >> Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page > > >> (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) > > >> From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > >> Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 8:21 pm > > >> To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks Ken, > > >> > > >> Let's try for some time this weekend. I am in Eastern Standard Time > > >> (Michigan USA). Please give me a time that will work for you. I do not > > >> have a computer that works with Google Chat (*), but I can boot into > > >> Windows for a while to get access. > > >> > > >> Dave > > >> > > >> (*) Even my google phone does not work, because the battery runs dead > > >> if I install Google+. I had a perfectly good Chrome browser on my Linux > > >> machine which suddenly refused to do gmail or google anything else until > > >> I upgraded the browser. So I upgraded it and got a shiny new version of > > >> Chrome that does not run on my system because my system is "too old". > > >> This is just like Microsoft all over again, I have no patience for it. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 06:52:09PM -0700, Ken Causey wrote: > > >> > David, > > >> > > > >> > Probably this is entirely unrelated, but... > > >> > > > >> > For the last several days, a week or more I guess, we've had a problem > > >> > with source.squeak.org and I begin to wonder if there is not some common > > >> > denominator here. In brief the source.squeak.org process will not run > > >> > under supervise, the exact behavior has varied as I've tried different > > >> > things, but most commonly the squeak process ends up as a defunct > > >> > process (it 'dies' but supervise doesn't realize it has). I frankly > > >> > haven't spent a lot of time trying to work out what is going wrong, for > > >> > now I'm just starting it manually. I feel like I must be missing > > >> > something obvious... > > >> > > > >> > I wonder if sometime over the weekend or perhaps next week you might > > >> > have some time to chat with me, perhaps over Google Chat? Perhaps > > >> > between the two of us we can improve both source.squeak.org and > > >> > squeaksource.com. > > >> > > > >> > Ken > > >> > > > >> > P.S. For those wondering, I can't email David directly, probably because > > >> > my SPF is fouled up or his provider doesn't like GoDaddy (who does? and > > >> > don't ask). The last I heard though he does get my email through the > > >> > list. > > >> > > > >> > > -------- Original Message -------- > > >> > > Subject: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: > > >> > > Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) > > >> > > From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > >> > > Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 7:26 pm > > >> > > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > >> > > <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > >> > > Cc: box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > The image is now showing 10 session handler processes in the process > > >> > > browser. Presumably these are related to the failed upload requests. > > >> > > > > >> > > I do not understand the cause of this problem, and it may be that I > > >> > > should revert the changes that I did earlier today (in which I put > > >> > > squeaksource under the control of the supervise(8) for starting the > > >> > > image). > > >> > > > > >> > > But I suspect that the problem lies elsewhere, so for I will make > > >> > > a copy of the broken image for debugging, then terminate the excess > > >> > > processes. This should clear the problem temporarily. I will follow > > >> > > up with another email within about 30 minutes. > > >> > > > > >> > > Dave > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:28:18AM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > >> > > > Thanks David, it went back to normal speed for a moment, but is now > > >> > > > rejecting my upload requests again (most will timeout, some do work > > >> > > > intermittently)... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 2013/11/14 David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:55:55PM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > >> > > > > > Yes, let's remove the alarms. > > >> > > > > > But it has to be functional. > > >> > > > > > Currently, I can connect on the web interface and I can download, but all > > >> > > > > > my upload are failing with timeout... Any idea? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I made some changes to the launch script for squeaksource.com earlier > > >> > > > > today: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/box-admins/2013-November/001598… > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > It is possible that this may be related to the problem you are seeing (I am > > >> > > > > not sure at this point). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I tried loading some packages from squeaksource a few minutes ago, and it > > >> > > > > was slow but functional. However, checking the image I see 15 active > > >> > > > > SSession handlers in a ProcessBrowser. This is not right, and it appears > > >> > > > > to be a recurrence of a problem that we have seen previously on an > > >> > > > > intermittent > > >> > > > > basis, both on squeaksource.com and (probably) on source.squeak.org. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I will terminate the runaway session handler processes, which I hope will > > >> > > > > clear up the immediate problem. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > More to follow I'm sure ... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Dave > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2013/11/14 Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 14.11.2013, at 13:04, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> The welcome (sic) message on the SqueakSource home page is overly > > >> > > > > > > alarming, > > >> > > > > > > >> and IMHO should be changed to something that encourages new > > >> > > > > projects to > > >> > > > > > > >> be created elsewhere, but that does not cause alarm for existing > > >> > > > > usurs. > > >> > > > > > > >> But that is a policy decision, and I will defer to the Squeak board > > >> > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > >> the Squeak community on this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > +1 > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think we should we should delete the "ATTENTION!" line but leave > > >> > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > note about creation of projects being disabled. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yep. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - Bert - > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >

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RE: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?)
by Ken Causey 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

I'm on Central Standard Time. At the moment the only time I know of that won't work for me is from about 11AM to 2 or 3PM CST on Saturday. Ken > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page > (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) > From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 8:21 pm > To: Squeak Hosting Support <box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > Thanks Ken, > > Let's try for some time this weekend. I am in Eastern Standard Time > (Michigan USA). Please give me a time that will work for you. I do not > have a computer that works with Google Chat (*), but I can boot into > Windows for a while to get access. > > Dave > > (*) Even my google phone does not work, because the battery runs dead > if I install Google+. I had a perfectly good Chrome browser on my Linux > machine which suddenly refused to do gmail or google anything else until > I upgraded the browser. So I upgraded it and got a shiny new version of > Chrome that does not run on my system because my system is "too old". > This is just like Microsoft all over again, I have no patience for it. > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 06:52:09PM -0700, Ken Causey wrote: > > David, > > > > Probably this is entirely unrelated, but... > > > > For the last several days, a week or more I guess, we've had a problem > > with source.squeak.org and I begin to wonder if there is not some common > > denominator here. In brief the source.squeak.org process will not run > > under supervise, the exact behavior has varied as I've tried different > > things, but most commonly the squeak process ends up as a defunct > > process (it 'dies' but supervise doesn't realize it has). I frankly > > haven't spent a lot of time trying to work out what is going wrong, for > > now I'm just starting it manually. I feel like I must be missing > > something obvious... > > > > I wonder if sometime over the weekend or perhaps next week you might > > have some time to chat with me, perhaps over Google Chat? Perhaps > > between the two of us we can improve both source.squeak.org and > > squeaksource.com. > > > > Ken > > > > P.S. For those wondering, I can't email David directly, probably because > > my SPF is fouled up or his provider doesn't like GoDaddy (who does? and > > don't ask). The last I heard though he does get my email through the > > list. > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: > > > Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) > > > From: "David T. Lewis" <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > > Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 7:26 pm > > > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > > <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > > > Cc: box-admins(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > > > > > > The image is now showing 10 session handler processes in the process > > > browser. Presumably these are related to the failed upload requests. > > > > > > I do not understand the cause of this problem, and it may be that I > > > should revert the changes that I did earlier today (in which I put > > > squeaksource under the control of the supervise(8) for starting the > > > image). > > > > > > But I suspect that the problem lies elsewhere, so for I will make > > > a copy of the broken image for debugging, then terminate the excess > > > processes. This should clear the problem temporarily. I will follow > > > up with another email within about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:28:18AM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > > > Thanks David, it went back to normal speed for a moment, but is now > > > > rejecting my upload requests again (most will timeout, some do work > > > > intermittently)... > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/11/14 David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:55:55PM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > > > > > Yes, let's remove the alarms. > > > > > > But it has to be functional. > > > > > > Currently, I can connect on the web interface and I can download, but all > > > > > > my upload are failing with timeout... Any idea? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I made some changes to the launch script for squeaksource.com earlier > > > > > today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/box-admins/2013-November/001598… > > > > > > > > > > It is possible that this may be related to the problem you are seeing (I am > > > > > not sure at this point). > > > > > > > > > > I tried loading some packages from squeaksource a few minutes ago, and it > > > > > was slow but functional. However, checking the image I see 15 active > > > > > SSession handlers in a ProcessBrowser. This is not right, and it appears > > > > > to be a recurrence of a problem that we have seen previously on an > > > > > intermittent > > > > > basis, both on squeaksource.com and (probably) on source.squeak.org. > > > > > > > > > > I will terminate the runaway session handler processes, which I hope will > > > > > clear up the immediate problem. > > > > > > > > > > More to follow I'm sure ... > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/11/14 Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14.11.2013, at 13:04, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The welcome (sic) message on the SqueakSource home page is overly > > > > > > > alarming, > > > > > > > >> and IMHO should be changed to something that encourages new > > > > > projects to > > > > > > > >> be created elsewhere, but that does not cause alarm for existing > > > > > usurs. > > > > > > > >> But that is a policy decision, and I will defer to the Squeak board > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> the Squeak community on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should we should delete the "ATTENTION!" line but leave > > > > > the > > > > > > > > note about creation of projects being disabled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Bert - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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