On Monday 22 December 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> On 22.12.2008, at 18:52, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
> > Hi Bert,
> > Ah, so the download directory on
> > http://squeakland.org/download/
> > already has the free etoys-4.0 ? I did not realize that, thanks.
>
> Not yet.
ok - so for the purposes of testing 40, what I did was the right thing and I own a 40 based plugin as a side effect :)
>
> > 2 notes:
> > It would be nice if the OLPC browsers shipped with the Etoys HTTP
> > plugin installed (etoys .pr everywhere!) - although maybe the
> > browser window is too limiting in size,
>
> Well that's one problem. Another is that the XO is quite memory-
> limited so having both the Browse activity and Etoys in memory is not
> optimal.
ok, thanks
> Another that then there would be no way to download a project
> to the Journal.
>
> But maybe it's time to revisit this - with the DBus support now there
> could be an option to save from within the plugin. Might be hard to
> get the logic right, there is no precedence in Sugar for this AFAIK.
> You could help by testing how the plugin works on the XO.
Do you mean to test getting the plugin registered and run in the XO browser on the XO? - I will try that. In fact I remember trying to get it work back in the spring, but failed. I will give it another try - what you are saying below may be a hint.
>
> You would need to circumvent the OLPC detection on the launcher page
> however, which replaces the embedded plugin with the automatic
> download to the Journal.
>
> > hence the option of copying it to the clipboard...
>
> Copying to clipboard? I can't follow.
Sorry, I ment journal.
>
> > The other note is that there seems something wrong with the page on
> > http://squeakland.org/download/
> > - it only displays the rpm row on positively non windows user agents
> > (browser has to be set to Windows/IE to show it, it does not show
> > when viewed in any browser on Linux that I have)
>
> Apparently there is a Linux-specific page that was not updated with
> the rpm. Well, might have to wait to the new year to get fixed I afraid.
It seems fixed now! I am able to download and install the RPM on SuSE 11.1, 64 bit. When running, I am getting an error though:
etoys
/usr/share/Etoys.app/Contents/Linux686/etoys -encoding UTF-8 -plugins /usr/share/Etoys.app/Contents/Linux686 -vm-display-x11 /usr/share/Etoys.app/Contents/Resources/etoys.image
could not find module vm-display-X11
Aborted
do not worry about it, I guess I should follow this up on the squeakland email list.
As the next step, I will try to see if I can get the plugin work and test on the XO browser, not sure about the value though (your comment about memory constraint with browser+ etoys plugin).
Milan
>
> - Bert -
>
> > Back in a week...
> > Milan
> >
> > On Monday 22 December 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> > > Great, thanks for testing!
> > >
> > > Re: rpm, the download at squeakland.org bundles Etoys with a
> >
> > Squeak VM
> >
> > > in one package, and contains proper browser plugin setup, whereas
> >
> > the
> >
> > > package here does not contain the VM, and no customizations to make
> > > the browser plugin work without extra configuration (we do not use
> >
> > the
> >
> > > browser plugin on the XO).
> > >
> > > - Bert -
> > >
> > > On 22.12.2008, at 04:11, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
> > > > A report on testing etoys 4.0 (obtained etoys-4.0.2201.tar.gz from
> > > > bert freudenberg email tuesday)
> > > > In brief - it works same as previous version in 2 hours of
> >
> > playing,
> >
> > > > making scripts etc.
> > > > I could not test on OLPC because my olpc has "stuck alt key" .. so
> > > > tested on On Suse Linux 11.1.
> > > > 1. tried to install etoys-4.0.2201-1.noarch.rpm - this did not
> >
> > work,
> >
> > > > complained about dependency on VM (squeak?) > 3.10
> > > > 2. So, I Installed Squeak from tar:
> > > > - downloaded "Linux" VM tar from http://squeak.org/Download/
> > > > (file=http://ftp.squeak.org/3.10/unix-linux/Squeak-3.10-1.i686-pc-lin
> > > >ux-g nu.tar.gz) - installeD above squeak:
> > > > - cd /home/mzimmermann/orig-files/Squeak-3.10-1
> > > > - /bin/sh INSTALL
> > > > - this did put squeak in this did put squeak to /usr/local/bin/
> >
> > squeak
> >
> > > > 3. Installed etoys 4.0 from tar: (maybe I should try the rpm at
> >
> > this
> >
> > > > point?)
> > > > - obtained etoys-4.0.2201.tar.gz from bert freudenberg email
> >
> > tuesday
> >
> > > > December 16, 2008
> > > > - untared to /home/mzimmermann/orig-files/
> > > > - untar created directory etoys-4.0.2201
> > > > - cd /home/mzimmermann/orig-files/etoys-4.0.2201
> > > > - ./configure
> > > > - make
> > > > - make check
> > > > - make install
> > > > - this did put etoys to /usr/local/bin/etoys (binary)
> > > > and /usr/local/share/etoys (content)
> > > > 4. edited /usr/local/lib/squeak/npsqueakregister
> > > > - so this line looks like:
> > > > BROWSERS="netscape mozilla mozilla-firefox opera MozillaFirefox/
> >
> > lib
> >
> > > > firefox"
> > > > (this would be a good idea to add to the distro! firefox is 20% of
> > > > market share)
> > > > and:
> > > > # vvvvvv copy etoys image to become the plugin image
> > > > cp /usr/local/share/etoys/etoys.image /usr/local/lib/squeak/
> > > > SqueakPlugin.image
> > > > cp /usr/local/share/etoys/etoys.changes /usr/local/lib/squeak/
> > > > SqueakPlugin.changes
> > > > # ^^^^^^
> > > > 5. Installed squeak/etoys HTTP plugin:
> > > > 5.2 Ran program to register squeak plugin
> > > > cd /usr/local/lib/squeak/
> > > > ./npsquekregister
> > > > 6. Tested by running etoys /usr/local/bin/etoys
> > > > - works great, i saw no differences from the previous version in 2
> > > > hours of playing
> > > > - plugin also works in Mozilla 3.0.5 and Konqueror
> > > > Nice - free version of Etoys :)
> > > > Milan
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday 16 December 2008, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> > > > > (resent with new download URLs and a bit more prose)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > this is the first release of Etoys 4.0. The major version jump
> > > > > signifies the end of our two-year relicensing effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > Originally released in 1996, Apple relicensed the Squeak core
> >
> > under
> >
> > > > > the Apache 2.0 license in October 2006 - thanks to Steve,
> >
> > Alan, and
> >
> > > > > the lawyers involved. Then, Viewpoints Research collected
> >
> > written
> >
> > > > > relicensing agreements from several hundred later contributors
> >
> > under
> >
> > > > > the MIT license - thanks to Kim, and the Squeak community
> > > >
> > > > volunteers.
> > > >
> > > > > Finally, all the code in Etoys not explicitly covered by a
> > > >
> > > > relicensing
> > > >
> > > > > agreement was removed, or rewritten, or reverted to an earlier
> > > >
> > > > version
> > > >
> > > > > - kudos to Yoshiki for the bulk of that work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to see Etoys properly packaged in more distros
> > > >
> > > > now :)
> > > >
> > > > > We may have broken stuff while removing and rewriting, so please
> > > > > report any oddities you notice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: Etoys comes in two parts, one is the base (in Sugar
> >
> > Glucose,
> >
> > > > but
> > > >
> > > > > will actually run on all platforms given a recent Squeak virtual
> > > > > machine) and one the activity bundle (in Fructose). Following
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > naming conventions the lower-case "etoys" package is the base
> >
> > while
> >
> > > > > the activity is capitalized as "Etoys".
> > > > >
> > > > > == Sources ==
> > > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/etoys/etoys-4
> > > > >.0.2 201
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > >tar.gz
> > > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Etoys/Etoys-
> > > > >97.t ar.g z
> > > > >
> > > > > == Packaged ==
> > > > >
> > > > > http://etoys.laptop.org/rpms/etoys-4.0.2201-1.noarch.rpm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://etoys.laptop.org/rpms/Etoys-97.xo
> > > > >
> > > > > == News ==
> > > > >
> > > > > * removed/reverted/rewrote all methods not covered by Apache/MIT
> > > >
> > > > license
> > > >
> > > > > * various fixes (#8928, #8929, #8879, #9058, and others)
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bert (for the Etoys team) -