From smalltalktelevision@gmail.com Wed Nov 24 00:02:19 2010
From: Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision@gmail.com>
To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: <script language="smalltalk">
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:02:17 -0500
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I think the browser, the DOM, and JavaScript can't be pried apart. The
public API to the DOM IS JavaScript, so fighting that is not worth it.

Instead, go with it. Use a translation layer between Smalltalk and the
JavaScript.

That means a parser. That means OMeta, because it treats JavaScript as
Assembly. And a Smalltalk parser for OMeta has been written. I made a movie
about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2dyLKP_xJc

I'd say that the trick would be baking OMeta and the Smalltalk parser into a
binary that could be loaded into a browser as a plugin.

Chris



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From frank.shearar@angband.za.org Wed Nov 24 07:44:29 2010
From: Frank Shearar <frank.shearar@angband.za.org>
To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: <script language="smalltalk">
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:43:59 +0000
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On 2010/11/24 00:02, Chris Cunnington wrote:
> I think the browser, the DOM, and JavaScript can't be pried apart. The
> public API to the DOM IS JavaScript, so fighting that is not worth it.
>
> Instead, go with it. Use a translation layer between Smalltalk and the
> JavaScript.
>
> That means a parser. That means OMeta, because it treats JavaScript as
> Assembly. And a Smalltalk parser for OMeta has been written. I made a
> movie about it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2dyLKP_xJc
>
> I'd say that the trick would be baking OMeta and the Smalltalk parser
> into a binary that could be loaded into a browser as a plugin.

Xtreams also has a Javascript parser, which WebVelocity makes extensive 
use of.

Nicolas Cellier's porting it to Squeak for us. (Nicolas, do you need a 
hand?)

frank

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From nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com Wed Nov 24 12:41:19 2010
From: Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com>
To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: <script language="smalltalk">
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:41:18 +0100
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2010/11/24 Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)angband.za.org>:
> On 2010/11/24 00:02, Chris Cunnington wrote:
>>
>> I think the browser, the DOM, and JavaScript can't be pried apart. The
>> public API to the DOM IS JavaScript, so fighting that is not worth it.
>>
>> Instead, go with it. Use a translation layer between Smalltalk and the
>> JavaScript.
>>
>> That means a parser. That means OMeta, because it treats JavaScript as
>> Assembly. And a Smalltalk parser for OMeta has been written. I made a
>> movie about it.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2dyLKP_xJc
>>
>> I'd say that the trick would be baking OMeta and the Smalltalk parser
>> into a binary that could be loaded into a browser as a plugin.
>
> Xtreams also has a Javascript parser, which WebVelocity makes extensive use
> of.
>
> Nicolas Cellier's porting it to Squeak for us. (Nicolas, do you need a
> hand?)
>
> frank
>

I don't have time to work on it by now.
The PEG part is not ported, but it should be fairly easy (maybe
consistency between handling of pragmas has to be checked first).
By now I let the repository opened to anyone, if volunteers are
interested, I can transfer the admin rights.

Nicolas

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From colin@wiresong.com Wed Nov 24 15:37:42 2010
From: Colin Putney <colin@wiresong.com>
To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: <script language="smalltalk">
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:37:39 -0800
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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Chris Cunnington
<smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the browser, the DOM, and JavaScript can't be pried apart. The
> public API to the DOM IS JavaScript, so fighting that is not worth it.
>
> Instead, go with it. Use a translation layer between Smalltalk and the
> JavaScript.
>
> That means a parser. That means OMeta, because it treats JavaScript as
> Assembly.

Nah, there are other options. See for example, Clamato:

http://www.clamato.net/

It provides a rendering API similar to one used by Seaside, but based on jQue=
ry.

Colin

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