From pfraser@spatialmedia.com Sun Apr 4 21:22:49 2010 From: Peter Fraser To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Problems logging in to "My Squeakland" from Etoys Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:22:27 +1200 Message-ID: <4BB90313.1020103@spatialmedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7068895625102126941==" --===============7068895625102126941== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello (I'm Peter). If this is the wrong forum, apologies -please send me elsewhere. I can't log in to "My Squeakland" from EToys. I get a dialog telling me a 500 error occurred on the server. Also, when this happens, Etoys appears to get itself into a loop where it pops up an error dialog, I hit OK -it retries, displays the error dialog, I hit OK -and on it goes until I close Etoys Note: This is only a small wrinkle in my otherwise delightful experience of Etoys since I downloaded it, a couple of weeks ago :-) Details 1. I can log into my account OK using the web interface (eg http://squeakland.org/showcase/account/). I had some problems creating the account (I was getting 500 errors that talked about "out of memory exceptions" or thereabouts) but it came right the next day. 2. It has worked from Etoys (in the last few days, since I created my account), and I have managed to upload and download projects. 3. I have tried various machines on various networks, with the same result. Occasionally I will be able to log in (apparently), but I won't see any projects. 4.. I can't see a PeteF account in the list displayed in Etoys (but presumably this is because I haven't published to the showcase). 5. I have tried both "Etoys to go" and (windows) installs. At one point, the installed version would work -but not the Etoys to go version. 6. [I have never worked with DAV so following is probably spurious] I'm surprised by the double forward slash in the MKCOL path (in the trace below). I'm also surprised the conversation starts with MKCOL 7. I have tried (the obligatory windows) reinstall, as well as removing the Etoys data in "my documents" 8. Sometimes it feels like a client problem (otherwise everyone would be having problems -right?) -but as per the trace below it is definitely resulting in a server error -so basically I'm confused. Happy to sniff around further, if someone wants to point me at a good place to sniff. I'm not a Smalltalker, but I could pretend... Pete F MKCOL /showcase/everyone/accounts//PeteF HTTP/1.1 Host: content.squeakland.org Authorization: Basic [deleted by pete] Content-Length: 0 HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:16:15 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) DAV/2 PHP/5.1.4 Resin/3.0.8 Content-Length: 197 Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=aGnaN_CxuHh7; path=/ Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 500 Internal Server Error

500 Internal Server Error

Resin-3.0.8 (built Tue, 08 Jun 2004 02:25:40 PDT) --===============7068895625102126941==-- From sthomas1@gosargon.com Mon Apr 5 16:16:56 2010 From: Steve Thomas To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: squeakland Digest, Vol 84, Issue 1 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 12:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bba0908.11ed8c0a.5847.ffffb601SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4053795989152901155==" --===============4053795989152901155== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, Apologies for the problems, I experienced the same issue, I believe someone may be working on resolving server issues. You can hit on Mac or on Windows, then a User Interrupt window will appear. When it does click on (Abandon), then click Cancel in the Username/Password prompt. Stephen On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of squeakland digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Problems logging in to "My Squeakland" from Etoys (Peter Fraser) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peter Fraser > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:22:27 +1200 > Subject: [squeakland] Problems logging in to "My Squeakland" from Etoys > Hello (I'm Peter). > > > If this is the wrong forum, apologies -please send me elsewhere. > > I can't log in to "My Squeakland" from EToys. I get a dialog telling me a > 500 error occurred on the server. > > Also, when this happens, Etoys appears to get itself into a loop where it > pops up an error dialog, I hit OK -it retries, displays the error dialog, I > hit OK -and on it goes until I close Etoys > > > Note: This is only a small wrinkle in my otherwise delightful experience of > Etoys since I downloaded it, a couple of weeks ago :-) > > Details > > 1. I can log into my account OK using the web interface (eg > http://squeakland.org/showcase/account/). I had some problems creating the > account (I was getting 500 errors that talked about "out of memory > exceptions" or thereabouts) but it came right the next day. > > 2. It has worked from Etoys (in the last few days, since I created my > account), and I have managed to upload and download projects. > > 3. I have tried various machines on various networks, with the same result. > Occasionally I will be able to log in (apparently), but I won't see any > projects. > > 4.. I can't see a PeteF account in the list displayed in Etoys (but > presumably this is because I haven't published to the showcase). > > 5. I have tried both "Etoys to go" and (windows) installs. At one point, > the installed version would work -but not the Etoys to go version. > > 6. [I have never worked with DAV so following is probably spurious] I'm > surprised by the double forward slash in the MKCOL path (in the trace > below). I'm also surprised the conversation starts with MKCOL > > 7. I have tried (the obligatory windows) reinstall, as well as removing the > Etoys data in "my documents" > > 8. Sometimes it feels like a client problem (otherwise everyone would be > having problems -right?) -but as per the trace below it is definitely > resulting in a server error -so basically I'm confused. > > > Happy to sniff around further, if someone wants to point me at a good place > to sniff. I'm not a Smalltalker, but I could pretend... > > > > Pete F > > > > MKCOL /showcase/everyone/accounts//PeteF HTTP/1.1 > > Host: content.squeakland.org > > Authorization: Basic [deleted by pete] > > Content-Length: 0 > > > > HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error > > Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:16:15 GMT > > Server: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) DAV/2 PHP/5.1.4 Resin/3.0.8 > > Content-Length: 197 > > Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=aGnaN_CxuHh7; path=/ > > Connection: close > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > 500 Internal Server Error > >

500 Internal Server Error

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--===============4053795989152901155==-- From rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Mon Apr 5 21:18:44 2010 From: Rita Freudenberg To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] software meeting April 5 - meeting notes Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:18:26 +0200 Message-ID: <7D4FE22D-B9D6-40E0-8E76-4F94D7D0B85C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6961584075435771267==" --===============6961584075435771267== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the meeting notes from the software meeting today, April 5. =20 You can also find them on the wiki: http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/2010/04/05/software+meeting+April%2C+5 Greetings, Rita ------------------------------------------------- [21:15] ritaf:so let's start the meeting [21:16] ritaf:who is here? [21:16]randy2: Randy is here [21:16]richo2:Richo [21:16]MrSteve:Stephen [21:16]bertf:me [21:16]ritaf:rita [21:16]jecel:Present [21:16]scottwal:scott [21:17]ritaf:welcome everyone [21:17] ritaf:and welcome richo! [21:17]richo2:thanks for inviting me here [21:18]ritaf:I don't know if you all know that Richo is working on the =20 GSoC-Squeakland education project [21:19]randy2:Richo is doing an amazing job [21:19]ritaf:and as far as I know, he is doing great and looking for =20 more work [21:19] ritaf:so I thought it would be a good idea to get some =20 suggestions from our developers [21:20]randy2:should I put up our proposal so far? [21:20]bertf:sure [21:21]randy2:1. Etoys paint tool The painting tool is one of the most =20 used features of Etoys. The current implementation would be improved =20 in order to support features like zoom, multiple undo, and a select =20 tool, among others. 2. Graphing of Data Tiles for creating vertical =20 and horizontal grid lines, major and minor tick marks, labels for =20 axes, and a label for the graph would be created to allow students to =20 graph data they acquire in science and mathematics project [21:22]bertf:sounds like nice-to-have features indeed [21:23]randy2:Richo has already done most of item 2! [21:24]ritaf:that's great! [21:24]jecel:Since Dr. Geo is going to be integrated into the next =20 version of Etoys, I wonder if it includes any of these features? [21:24]DanGJavaGeek:has anyone @ MIT done user testing with the target =20 audience on the paint tool for scratch? I would think there would be =20 similar or related feedback given the target... [21:25]ritaf:this is a good question, I will find out! [21:25]jecel:The paint tool isn't as critical for Scratch since they =20 love to use clip art [21:25]bertf:jecel: i don't thibk dr geo icludes any of this [21:26]jecel:bertf: thanks! I only saw a movie or two and don't =20 remember much about it [21:26]MrSteve:On item 2, it would be nice to have tools that =20 facilitate kids learning about data collection, analysis and reporting [21:27]randy2:Stephen - could you givbe an example of such a tool? [21:27]MrSteve:The graphing helps with the analysis and reporting, one =20 thing that would be nice is to have ... [21:27] MrSteve:Methods to allow kids to create, publish to and =20 analyze data from their own databases, public, class or project DBs. [21:28]randy2:That goes along with item 3 also [21:29]MrSteve:Sorry, what's item 3? [21:29]randy2:Or do you want a database tool in etoys [21:29] randy2:1. Etoys paint tool The painting tool is one of the =20 most used features of Etoys. The current implementation would be =20 improved in order to support features like zoom, multiple undo, and a =20 select tool, among others. 2. Graphing of Data Tiles for creating =20 vertical and horizontal grid lines, major and minor tick marks, labels =20 for axes, and a label for the graph would be created to allow students =20 to graph data they acquire in science and mathematics project [21:29] randy2:Sorry - I tried to copy just item 3 and failed [21:31]bertf:we do't see a 3rd item [21:32]MrSteve:Richo, as you will soon find out I have a lot of ideas =20 and opinions (not all good so before I do a brain dump, what interests =20 you and what would you like to do? [21:32]richo2:well, databases aren't my favorites [21:32]randy2:3. Input/Output of Data From/To Files Tiles would be =20 created to allow data from the Etoys environment to be output to a =20 file and for information from an external file to be imported into the =20 Etoys environment. [21:33]jecel:There is a third item at http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/squea= kland-education [21:33]richo2:the proposal at gsoc2010.esug.org is not up to date [21:33]MrSteve:"If I knew where I was going to die, I would never go =20 there" [21:33]randy2:I haven't updated the project at ESUG yet so it doesn't =20 agree with what I just posted [21:33]jecel:Yeah, it doesn't mention the paint app [21:34]MrSteve:Richo, very wise, knowing what you don't like is =20 important [21:34]randy2:I want to update the project after our meeting and I get =20 more feedback from Richo [21:35]DanGJavaGeek:are there particular use cases for #3 data import/=20 export? [21:35]richo2:steve: you just proposed one of the few things I dislike =20 the most [21:35]randy2:to keep a record of student results [21:36] randy2:to import data to analyze [21:37]ritaf:I would like to know if anyone has thought about adding =20 these things to Etoys before? [21:37]randy2:To answer Dan in more detail: This would allow learners =20 to import data for visualization in the Etoys environment. Etoys is =20 richer than most learning environments used in education and very =20 creative things could be done in Etoys to visualize and use external =20 data from a file. Learners and Teachers would also benefit from =20 getting formative feedback on how the learner is progressing. Etoys is =20 a rich environment of objects and data regarding the learners m [21:37] ohshima hat den Chatroom betreten. [21:38]ritaf:hi yoshiki [21:39]ohshima:Just trying an IRC client on my phone. pls send me the =20 log afterwards. [21:39]jecel:Etoys is a bit weak in dealing with table-style data [21:40]DanGJavaGeek:thanks, I was wondering if there were examples =20 people wanted to try like data in CSV, graphs, charts, the squeakers =20 movie example with dropping objects, I guess one could import data =20 there rather than record individual distances per video frame [21:40]bertf:ritaf: an improved painting tool sounds obviously useful. =20 graphing is possible already - but could be made easier of course, if =20 it fits with the resto of Etoys. Dealing with files is unprecedented. [21:42]randy2:Scott wrote code for me awhile back to write to and get =20 from text files. Thanks Scott. [21:43] randy2:I though it could be made into tiles. [21:43]bertf:the way Scratch handles files is - it doesn't really. it =20 has a "list type" which is interactive first and foremost. but it can =20 export to a text file, and import one - each line becomes a list item [21:44] bertf:randy2: does it need to be a tile? or is impoting a text =20 into a holder sufficient? Line by line like Scratch? [21:44]DanGJavaGeek:right - no requirement that one become the other =20 but I was trying to put into context where students using the =20 environment would want and use file I/O, I think randy had reasonable =20 examples [21:45]jecel:About tables, has anybody used the Skeleton spreadsheet? =20 How well does it work and how well does it integrated with the rest of =20 Etoys? [21:45]bertf:jecel: no idea, but I was wondering too [21:45]randy2:Bert - any way that a novice can use without having to =20 write Smalltalk code. [21:45]richo2:I played with Skeleton and it's great [21:45]bertf:randy2: sure. it could be a halo-menu item [21:46]richo2:but I used the old smallland version of Etoys [21:46]bertf:richo2: is it scriptable from Etoys? [21:47]jecel:richo2: that is nice to know. I am just trying to figure =20 out what will be done with the data once it is imported [21:47]richo2:you can either write functions as smalltalk code or =20 connect etoys tiles with cells [21:47] richo2:so if the value of the cell changes the value of the =20 etoy tile changes as well [21:48] richo2:it's very simple [21:48] ohshima hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:49]bertf:well, might be worth investigating. Randy - if that =20 allowed exportign and importing data such a spreadsheat might be =20 ideal, no? [21:49]randy2:Bert - yes [21:50]jecel:The other alternative I see is Kedama - your CSV (comma =20 separated values) data becomes the patches in a world [21:53]bertf:yes, but that's rather hard to understand I'd think [21:54]richo2:I was thinking of something like an Etoys Stream object [21:54]bertf:richo2: pelase explain [21:54] bertf:please [21:54]jecel:Yes, you are limited to SIMD (single instruction multiple =20 data) which is far less flexible than a spreadsheet [21:54]richo2:so you would have a slot with the current word [21:55] richo2:and commands to read the next one or write to a file [21:55]DanGJavaGeek:that's interesting, so it's not necessarily =20 limited to file I/O, but could be a stream of items... temperatures, =20 stock prices, etc., maybe from some network service or a file [21:55]bertf:richo2: that sounds a lot like programming. very =20 abstract. the power of etoys is to be concrete. [21:55]richo2:bertf: yes [21:56]jecel:Streams are great and I know you are interested in robots [21:56]richo2:I did something like that a lot of time ago to access =20 the serial port from etoys [21:56]DanGJavaGeek:agreed, "power of etoys is to be concrete" and =20 trying to explain network i/o to k-12 students isn't a fun time [21:57]richo2:but it was, as bert said, very programming oriented [21:57]bertf:maybe something like a sensor ... instead of physical =20 data it would read data from a file [21:57]DanGJavaGeek:without something concrete and fun to play with, =20 that is [21:57]jecel:The reason I was talking about tables instead was that =20 analysing data for inclusion in reports was mentioned [21:58]randy2:Bert - you had suggested fixing up etoys code and Richo =20 sounded interested if it were a well-defined portion. Do you have a =20 small chunk to suggest for him to work on? Richo are you still =20 interested or do you have enough already? [21:59]richo2:I'm very interested in getting etoys working on top of =20 trunk [21:59]DanGJavaGeek:on the sensor end, things like http://info.scratch.mit.ed= u/Sensor_Boards=20 and Lego WeDo i/o has been interesting for various classrooms that =20 can afford either, but requiring hardware above and beyond an XO or a =20 computer lab is limiting [21:59]bertf:richo2: do you have experience with Monticello? [22:00]richo2:I know only the basic stuff [22:00] richo2:I only use it to get the code out of the image [22:00] richo2:in a way that I can upload to squeaksource [22:01]bertf:for bringing Etoys closer to the Squeak Trunk, we need to =20 reorganize the Etoys image. karl started with this [22:01] bertf:it's a big project [22:01]richo2:yes, I know... that's why I asked for a well defined task [22:01] MrSteve hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping =20 timeout)) [22:01]richo2:I don't feel capable of doing it by myself [22:01]bertf:it's not well-bounded [22:02] bertf:another pressing need is better translation support. =20 that is better defined [22:03] bertf:we need to split up the one big Etoys.po into smaller =20 parts [22:03] bertf:e.g., put all tile-translations into one file [22:03]randy2:What about just fixing some of the languages that don't =20 work - like Hatian Creole? [22:04]bertf:randy2: creole is trivial [22:04] bertf:i sent Tim a fix before he went to haiti [22:05]randy2:okay [22:05]bertf:it just was not listed as a Latin1 language [22:05]richo2:yes, that is better defined. And I think I can do that, =20 but I would need to investigate a little. I don't know how translation =20 works [22:05]bertf:richo2: we should ask korakurider [22:06] bertf:he did most of the translation framework [22:06] bertf:and I'm sure he has ideas for how to split it up [22:06] bertf:we also need wider font support [22:06] bertf:there is a changeset in the tracker that is untested [22:07]richo2:what about Juan Vuletich's font stuff? [22:07]bertf:richo2: that's latin only [22:07] bertf:we can't effort bitmap fonts for all foreign scripts [22:07]richo2:oh, I didn't know [22:07]bertf:Cuis does not even have i18n support IIRC [22:08] bertf:or m17n rather [22:08] bertf:anyway, we cant't load all fonts into the image, it just =20 gets too big [22:08] bertf:so andreas made a changeset that loads truetype fonts on =20 demand [22:08] bertf:it's on mantis somewhere [22:09] bertf:that would be good to have. [22:09]richo2:if there is code waiting to be tested I feel much more =20 comfortable than writing it from scratch [22:10]bertf:on the XO under Linux we use Pango for non-latin =20 languages. but it is still really immature. lots of layout problems [22:10] bertf:OTOH Pango can even render Arabic and Devanagari etc., =20 really complicated scripts [22:11] bertf:tracker is down again [22:12] bertf:richo2: yes there is code already. we would need to =20 decide which fonts to include (we do not want to use the host's fonts) [22:13]richo2:why? [22:13]bertf:because projects need to look identical across platforms [22:14] bertf:that's the promise of etoys, bit-identical everywhere [22:14]richo2:ok [22:14] MrSteve hat den Chatroom betreten. [22:15]bertf:I can't use a Mac font in a project that needs to work on =20 Linux as well [22:15]richo2:that's the reason Etoys has all those weird fonts? [22:15]bertf:yep [22:16] bertf:we need to ship the fonts to use [22:16] bertf:if we put them on file instead of the image we can =20 potentially include more/nicer ones [22:17] bertf:provided we can find some license-compatible ones [22:17]jecel:If you use Self on a Sun machine, then save the image and =20 restart it on a Mac it will be very obvious what a stupid idea it is =20 to use platform fonts [22:19]richo2:ok, so we need to test andreas code and choose a good =20 set of fonts to include [22:20]bertf:right. I;d start with one font that has good glyph =20 coverage. DejavuLGC for example [22:20]richo2:I'm sure andreas code will work fine, he doesn't seem to =20 make a lot of mistakes [22:20]bertf:oh he does, he is just quick at fixing the bugs too [22:21] bertf:and since this code is largely untested we don't know =20 the bugs yet [22:21]richo2:ok, I can do that... do you know where can I find his =20 code? [22:22] richo2:I'm looking in mantis but it is kinda messy [22:22]bertf:http://tracker.squeakland.org/ [22:22]richo2:oh [22:22]bertf:if its up look for "fonts" [22:22]richo2:yep, it's down [22:22]bertf:has been unreliable for a while [22:22]richo2:yes, that's a pity [22:23] MrSteve hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) [22:23] MrSteve2 hat den Chatroom betreten. [22:23]richo2:we should update the project proposal with this new =20 ideas I think [22:23]ritaf:we can talk about the tracker on the next meeting ... [22:23]richo2:also, randy didn't finish to show what we already have [22:24]ritaf:I will send the log files, so you can use it to update =20 the proposal [22:24]richo2:ok [22:24]randy2:Richo - I would like you to update the proposal and add =20 and delete what you want. [22:24]richo2:oh, I have a question [22:24]randy2:Richo - did you get my invitation to join the project? [22:25]richo2:randy2: yes, I have to write the proposal [22:25] richo2:that's easy because I have a template [22:25] richo2:what I don't know is what should I write to apply to =20 google [22:25] richo2:also I don't know how the voting works [22:26] richo2:maybe this is not the best place to ask [22:26]randy2:Richo - just answer the questions Google asks on the FAC =20 and include the updated proposal. [22:27]ritaf:as far as I know, the mentors will vote. But I also =20 remember something about asking the community before. [22:28]randy2:Richo - the voting will be done the week after April 9 =20 and I need to promote your project. I believe ESUG mentors vote at =20 Google for ESUG projects. [22:28]richo2:ok, that seems reasonable [22:29]randy2:I have registered and Google as a mentor. The process =20 seems very complex as new info comes out each day. [22:30]richo2:yes, it's a mess [22:30]randy2:ESUG is doing a great job. [22:30]richo2:their website is a lot more informative than googles [22:31]randy2:Rita - do the log files come by email? [22:32]ritaf:I was planning to post it on squeakland, and to put it on =20 the wiki. [22:32]randy2:And do you send us the link? [22:33] randy2:Or do we just go to the wiki? [22:34]ritaf:I will send the link [22:35]randy2:Rita - do you have a few minutes to Skype after the =20 meeting is over? [22:35]ritaf:yes, I do. [22:35] ritaf:so I think we can finish the meeting for today? [22:36]randy2:Richo - do you have any more questions? [22:36]richo2:no, I'm fine [22:36] richo2:I'll try to add these new items to the project proposal [22:37] richo2:and I'll send it back to you [22:37]randy2:I'm good. Should we quit? Do we just leave the chat? [22:37]ritaf:thank you all for the meeting! [22:37] ritaf:randy2: yes, you can just leave [22:37]bertf:thanks all. randy2: yes, jsut close the browser window [22:37]randy2:Thank you [22:38] randy2 hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Quit: CGI:IRC) [22:38]richo2:bye! [22:38]ritaf:bye [22:39] richo2 hat den Chatroom verlassen. (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) Rita Freudenberg rita(a)isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de --===============6961584075435771267==-- From teefal@squeakland.org Mon Apr 12 18:38:45 2010 From: Timothy Falconer To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Back from Haiti Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <43AA3752-C7DD-4F93-9EF6-EC16218C5A12@squeakland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6834003213586889723==" --===============6834003213586889723== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, I'm back from Haiti, both literally and figuratively. Since the earthquake,= nearly all of my time has been spent on the seven Etoys pilots that have sta= rted or will soon start in four different regions of Haiti. To follow our pro= gress, read the Waveplace blog and see the two videos at http://waveplace.org= /news/. We'll be adding a great many photos in the next few days. Connecti= vity was very bad, so we are only uploading photos now. While it may appear that Haiti has benefitted at the expense of Squeakland so= far this year, I think quite the opposite is true. The earthquake crisis ha= s drawn Etoys into the center of a conversation that is now happening between= many interested groups. I've basically spent the last three months talking,= talking, talking. Throughout, I have positioned Squeakland as a source of = educational materials. I've depicted Etoys as a learning platform that is ve= ry appropriate for a country that has no money for school buildings or materi= als. In short, I have been laying the groundwork for our fundraising efforts= to finish the Squeakland courseware and to improve Etoys itself and its tran= slations. Along the way, we have also created and tested a brand new set of Basic Etoys= lessons, which can be found here: http://waveplace.com/resources/tutorials/ We have lesson plans, handouts, and sample projects for each of these lessons= , both in English and Haitian Creole. Randy Caton has created a mathematics= unit that we will use this month in Haiti. We are also creating a Storytell= ing unit. We will soon have a complete set of the Basic Etoys screencasts in= Haitian Creole as well. Please take the 90 minutes needed to watch these videos and let me know what = you think. We will soon begin creating Spanish (and probably Portuguese) ve= rsions, so any feedback will have an immediate impact. The Squeakland educat= ion team is currently deciding whether to include these lessons in the offici= al Squeakland courseware, so positive comments will also help. Send your com= ments to squeakland-at-squeakland.org. As for the business team, software team, and board, we will start regular mee= tings again starting today: * software team: Mondays at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT) on #etoys on the freenode.ne= t network (or chat.squeakland.org) * business team: Wednesdays at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT) by Skype ... send me a pr= ivate email if you wish to join the team * board meeting: as soon as we can schedule it As always, the minutes or transcripts from all of these meetings will be avai= lable on our wiki or chat logs. If you'd like to volunteer to help any of the teams, please let us know, eith= er by responding here, or clicking "contact" on squeakland.org. Thanks everyone. My humblest apologies for being unavailable over the last t= hree months, but now that I am on the other side of the mountain, I can say w= ith certainty that Squeakland will benefit from this unexpected detour. 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In-Reply-To: <43AA3752-C7DD-4F93-9EF6-EC16218C5A12@squeakland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1638552586067695387==" --===============1638552586067695387== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:38:49 -0400, Timothy Falconer wrote: >=20 > As always, the minutes or transcripts from all of these meetings will be av= ailable on our wiki or chat logs. Past software meeting logs were not available but now they are at: http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/Developers+meeting+logs Can anybody tell me where the minutes from the business meetings are? -- Yoshiki --===============1638552586067695387==-- From sthomas1@gosargon.com Wed Apr 14 05:34:47 2010 From: Steve Thomas To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Etoys Class Reflections Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5315196003656344550==" --===============5315196003656344550== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Taught a class today, 4 kids (8, 10, 11, 12, 14) and 2 adults (Mom and Dad of two of the kids). First class with this group. Started with "Daemon Castle" and then had them do "Etoys Challenge". *Observation*:I had one child. Nick, who was laughing hysterically. I went over and found him playing around making the car go tight circles, bounce off walls and he eventually figured out how to make it bounce off the walls until it reached the goal. His father who sitting next to him, got a bit upset and told him he needed to focus on what he was learning and be more disciplined. *Thoughts*: This reminded me of something another coach told me while coaching Soccer "Never coach your own kid, (a) they won't listen to you and (b) they will listen better to another adult". While I don't fully believe (a), I think they do listen, they just don't want to act like they do, especially in front of the friends, he made a good point. Also, in my observations parents are harder on their own kids then they are on others, especially with their first child. I love to see kids laugh and having a good time in class, this means they are having fun and to me fun means MOTIVATION. I firmly believe motivation trumps most other things, as kids will work hard when motivated. That said the father had a good point and I needed to find a way to turn that "silly fun" into what others have termed "hard fun". So I let him finish his "Etoys Challenge" then when he told me he was done I stepped back and ran his scripts on each step. I then challenge him to reach the goals using just one script. I have observed a number of kids who use multiple versions of the script changing it along the way until they reach the goal. Again I let them do this and congratulate them on a creative way of solving the problem and pointing out there are many ways to solve the problem, but can they find a simpler more elegant way using only one script which doesn't change? I always try to have one part of the class where I get them AWAY from the computers and preferably outside. Today I broke them into pairs and have them "program" each other. One child, the programmer, would give instructions to another child "the computer". I first had them try and program each other to "walk a square". At some point one of the kids will say "turn" and the other knowing he is supposed to walk a square will dutifully turn 90 degrees. I then jump in and ask the child to program me. When I am told to turn I will turn some random value (usually either a very small turn or a 360 degree turn) and they will get the idea and then ask me to turn 90 degrees. One kid got excited and came up with the idea of I can go forward 10 steps, turn 90 degrees and repeat forever. After complimenting him (kids love compliments) I asked him what was like repeat forever in Etoys? He said a ticking script. At some point I made the connection, wish I could remember what brought it up, to how the cells in our bodies are like millions of little ticking scripts doing their own things responding to stimulus and working together to make us and how it is amazing that is. IMPORTANT TEACHING NOTE: I try to never give a child an answer. Instead I will either ask them a question or give them another problem that will help them figure out the answer themselves. Basically a hint in problem or question form. *What to do with kids who finish early?* There are always those who finish faster than others I have a couple of strategies to deal with this: 1. *Have some problems or other Etoys Challenges they can work on For this lesson I had "Etoys Game Challenge" which the kids like because they can create their own games, very motivating for kids.* 2. *Teach them to teach *This means having them help other kids, but the danger here is they will simply show the other kids the answers they found. I do my best to impress upon the kids that they should never give them the answer, but instead help the other child find the answer themselves by asking questions or getting them to think about how their program works (aka play computer). I try to model this and point it out explicitly a bunch of times early in the lesson so the kids understand my preferred style before I ask them to help teach.= I then monitor the kids closely when they first start "teaching" other kids. 3. *Have the child teach an adult in the class* The kids get a big kick out of teaching adults.When there are adults this is especially fun, the kids get a big ego boost (and motivation from feeli= ng they are better that an adult at something) out of teaching an adult, and = it shows them the adults don't know everything (a valuable lesson in life that kids figure out faster than most adults would like to believe). The adults are usually good sports, but read your people some peoples ego's are fragi= le and you need to be sensitive to that. 4. *Have them improve or extend their current work* For example their script may not be the simplest or most elegant (ex: turn 90, turn -45; one kid had turn 45, turn -45) or having a forward 10 tile in the YES and NO of a test Some kids will instantly see what they can do with Etoys and start creating games or other fun stuff. If I see this and they have completed t= he main task (sometimes even if they haven't) I will encourage them to improve their games or show them some basic Etoys functionality that they can use = to improve their game or do what they want. At the end of class I wanted to set them up for their homework (working on the 40 Mathematical Shapes challenge) and had them try and get their car's to "Draw a Square" (Hmmmm, another idea to get them out of the computer and use the knowledge they already have is to have them "program" their hands to draw a square on a piece of paper). While doing this one child asked: "What's this symbol here do?" He was pointing at the "add a variable" icon in the top bar of the viewer (looks like a arrow head in a pink background pointing down). At the time we had a script on the screen to draw a circle (forward:5, turn:5) when I had a brainstorm. Okay we can use variables to change the value for forward and turn (I am slow I can't believe it has taken me this long and a 14 year old kid to finally figure this out!!!). So I showed him how to add the two variables and dragged the variables into the scripting tiles to replace the 5's and then asked him to make a square without changing his script. When he looked confused (a feeling I recognize because of my vast experience with this emotion) I pointed out, a couple of times, that the car would move forward and turn by the variables we had setup. *I did NOT point this out by saying it explicitly*. Instead I simply pointed to the variable (i had dragged a detailed watcher onto the screen for each variable) and then pointed to the forward tile and asked him how far it would move forward. He eventually got the idea and I went to work with another child who had been asking questions. Then all of a sudden I heard and excited voice saying "Hey I made an Octagon!!!" I then made a big deal out of his great discovery and pointed out how with one script he could make multiple shapes just by changing the variables. Then i asked him what other shapes he could make and left him to have fun. Towards the end of class I sent them outside again to program themselves (as opposed to others in this case) to follow a road. I drew a sample road and then gave each of the kids some chalk and observed. Each child drew a different shape and I asked them what there program was for following the road. Fortunately one of the dad's who was there said the scripts we wrote reminded him of a robot they have at work do deliver mail. I told the kids some folks have been paid a lot of money to write programs just like the ones they wrote today to follow the road (when my son heard this he asked for $100K). The kids got the idea of programming a car that could drive itself, so I challenged them to program the "Car of the Future" and asked them to think about what kinds of challenges they would have and how they would handle them (other cars, pedestrians, traffic lights). One of the parent's suggested they test their program by having multiple cars drive in Etoys world at the same time. Anyway a lot of fun was had by all and I had to kick the kids out as they wouldn't stop working on Etoys when the class was done. (a good sign and one I always see when kids are first exposed to Etoys). 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2010 22:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <8D2C1A6B-5122-4ADC-A6C8-37BCCFAD4F79@squeakland.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8591101229519316653==" --===============8591101229519316653== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The business meetings in 2009 were primarily between me, Rita, and Kim Rose. = We did not take minutes.=20 All future business meetings will have posted minutes in a manner similar to = the education minutes on wiki.squeakland.org. Tim On Apr 13, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > At Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:38:49 -0400, > Timothy Falconer wrote: >>=20 >> As always, the minutes or transcripts from all of these meetings will be a= vailable on our wiki or chat logs. >=20 > Past software meeting logs were not available but now they are at: > http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/Developers+meeting+logs >=20 > Can anybody tell me where the minutes from the business meetings > are? >=20 > -- Yoshiki > _______________________________________________ > squeakland mailing list > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============8591101229519316653==-- From teefal@squeakland.org Thu Apr 15 02:49:46 2010 From: Timothy Falconer To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [squeakland] Back from Haiti Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8790528543040792520==" --===============8790528543040792520== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The business meetings in 2009 were primarily between me, Rita, and Kim Rose. = We did not take minutes.=20 All future business meetings will have posted minutes in a manner similar to = the education minutes on wiki.squeakland.org. Tim On Apr 13, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > At Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:38:49 -0400, > Timothy Falconer wrote: >>=20 >> As always, the minutes or transcripts from all of these meetings will be a= vailable on our wiki or chat logs. >=20 > Past software meeting logs were not available but now they are at: > http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/Developers+meeting+logs >=20 > Can anybody tell me where the minutes from the business meetings > are? >=20 > -- Yoshiki > _______________________________________________ > squeakland mailing list > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============8790528543040792520==-- From carnen@mac.com Fri Apr 16 16:11:16 2010 From: Carlos Rabassa To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] New Great Etoys Tutorials ! ! Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: <5044F821-BB36-4FE1-8DB8-C821CBF09E37@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2619522974108336130==" --===============2619522974108336130== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to strongly recommend: http://waveplace.org/resources/tutorials/ This is a completely new set of tutorials by Tim Falconer. They were completed last month prior to his departure to Haiti where they wer= e field tested in several pilot projects, some still running. Nenny and I used the original tutorials to take our first steps in Etoys. Several good friends of ours learned Etoys through the original tutorials whi= ch we all recommended to others. Last year in Porto Alegre we had the opportunity of talking at the same time = to both Tim and Lino Bessonart, a volunteer in Uruguay who created spanish t= utorials in Uruguay which were very helpful in getting us started. Lino said he is also like us, a graduate of Tim's tutorials. Those tutorials were excellent and helped a many of us in far away places. But these new ones, I can assure you are far better! I'm anxious to get them translated into Spanish, they will be a great tool s= ince they include material and tips on how to get the most out of them. We can see them as great tools for learning and for teaching. Teachers, parents, volunteers and children will take great advantage of these= tutorials. They have been translated to Creole. I'm ready to start translating to Spanish as soon as I get the authorization. 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12:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <9C82F5B4-B900-44A4-BBA5-6BB29153EED4@squeakland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6143525437139367394==" --===============6143525437139367394== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (from a recent Waveplace blog post by Beth Santos ... Joseph is one of our Ha= itian mentors) Yesterday I sat down with Joseph's brother, Abela, who works with Haiti Partn= ers. We were sitting under his little tin roof lean-to, looking at the remain= s of his home- a beautiful two-story building that is now a couple of tiles a= nd lots of space. He praised the [Waveplace] program and seemed so pleased th= at it was going well here in Leogane. I told him that there are a number of p= eople in the USA that believe that laptops are not the answer right now, espe= cially in areas like Leogane that are most affected by the earthquake. He and= Joseph looked at me like I was crazy. =E2=80=9CAre you kidding??=E2=80=9D he= asked. =E2=80=9CFood, water, sure, we need that. But EDUCATION- that's what = we really need right now! Without it, how will we be able to build our own?= =E2=80=9D Joseph added the fact that the kids in Leogane need something to fo= cus on, more than anything. So many children have PTSD and they just need to = look forward. They feel helpless and they need to make use of themselves, and= take their minds off of what happened to them and their families. Abela sat for a moment. We told him how grateful we were for his hospitality = and he fell silent. When he spoke, he told us about how, after the earthquake= , everyone went to stay in camps but he couldn't do it. He would come home ev= eryday, early in the morning, and sit outside his house and just be quiet. He= says his post-traumatic stress is terrible. We think of the children who are still staying in tents, and we think about h= ow our education program is helping their minds to not only escape, but to gr= ow. These children finally feel that they are worth something. And in Leogane= , the program is more valuable than anything. 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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:13:32 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7098548446184105550==" --===============7098548446184105550== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, we are planning to have a one week sprint right before Squeakfest this year, = from July, 17 - July 24. I would like to invite you to participate in this ev= ent! We plan to book a vacation home on a beach near Wilmington (NC), so that= we can stay together, work, and have fun. =20 =20 There are no detailed plans yet about what exactly we will work on in this we= ek. We could for example:=20 - write an Etoys cookbook, a collection of tips & tricks about what you can d= o within Etoys - develop active essays within Etoys for certain subjects - develop introductional material for kids - have a "code sprint" - ... We are open for your ideas! What we will finally work on also depends on the = experience of the participants of the sprint.=20 Please let me know if you are interested in participating, since I have to do= the booking soon. We cannot provide any financial support. If you have any i= deas on how to get funding for this effort, let me know! Greetings, Rita --===============7098548446184105550==-- From teefal@squeakland.org Wed Apr 21 13:35:29 2010 From: Timothy Falconer To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] business meet today at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:35:30 -0400 Message-ID: <35156305-C6C5-4BDD-A5E2-D02B9C028A0D@squeakland.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4904499098914973849==" --===============4904499098914973849== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, The Squeakland business team will meet today at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT) via Skype.= =20 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3D4&day=3D21&year= =3D2010&hour=3D19&min=3D0&sec=3D0&p1=3D0 Topics will include: * the Squeakland Courseware proposal and budget * fundraising opportunities=20 * revisiting the 2010 budget prepared last fall * preparing for next week's board meeting on Tuesday at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT) We will also briefly discuss the Waveplace Haiti proposal, as it pertains to = the Squeakland Courseware proposal. If you are not currently on the business team, but would like to attend, let = me know and give me your Skype account name. Meeting notes will be posted after the meeting. Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============4904499098914973849== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PC9oZWFkPjxib2R5IHN0eWxlPSJ3b3JkLXdyYXA6IGJyZWFrLXdvcmQ7IC13 ZWJraXQtbmJzcC1tb2RlOiBzcGFjZTsgLXdlYmtpdC1saW5lLWJyZWFrOiBhZnRlci13aGl0ZS1z cGFjZTsgIj5IaSBldmVyeW9uZSw8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlRoZSBTcXVlYWtsYW5kIGJ1 c2luZXNzIHRlYW0gd2lsbCBtZWV0IHRvZGF5IGF0IDNwbSBFVCAoMTk6MDAgR01UKSB2aWEgU2t5 cGUuICZuYnNwOzwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXY+PGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy50 aW1lYW5kZGF0ZS5jb20vd29ybGRjbG9jay9maXhlZHRpbWUuaHRtbD9tb250aD00JmFtcDtkYXk9 MjEmYW1wO3llYXI9MjAxMCZhbXA7aG91cj0xOSZhbXA7bWluPTAmYW1wO3NlYz0wJmFtcDtwMT0w Ij5odHRwOi8vd3d3LnRpbWVhbmRkYXRlLmNvbS93b3JsZGNsb2NrL2ZpeGVkdGltZS5odG1sP21v 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K. Subramaniam" To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July! Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:20:51 +0530 Message-ID: <201004220020.52375.subbukk@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5329242327331906551==" --===============5329242327331906551== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wednesday 21 April 2010 05:43:32 pm Rita Freudenberg wrote: > - write an Etoys cookbook, a collection of tips & tricks about what you can > do within Etoys My daughter pointed out that driving was more fun when the forward and turn parameters are keyed to World->sound level and pitch. She got a bunch of kids to use their voices to drive morphs around. You can imagine the din :-). Subbu --===============5329242327331906551==-- From sthomas1@gosargon.com Wed Apr 21 18:58:45 2010 From: Steve Thomas To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July! Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201004220020.52375.subbukk@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6296213432787746862==" --===============6296213432787746862== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subbu, This sounds like fun. I found the World "sound level" and "sound pitch", what needs to be done so kids can use their voices to change these parameters? Stephen On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:50 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote: > On Wednesday 21 April 2010 05:43:32 pm Rita Freudenberg wrote: > > - write an Etoys cookbook, a collection of tips & tricks about what you > can > > do within Etoys > My daughter pointed out that driving was more fun when the forward and turn > parameters are keyed to World->sound level and pitch. She got a bunch of > kids > to use their voices to drive morphs around. You can imagine the din :-). > > Subbu > _______________________________________________ > etoys-dev mailing list > etoys-dev(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys-dev > --===============6296213432787746862== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 U3ViYnUsPGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj5UaGlzIHNvdW5kcyBsaWtlIGZ1bi4goEkgZm91bmQg dGhlIFdvcmxkICZxdW90O3NvdW5kIGxldmVsJnF1b3Q7IGFuZCAmcXVvdDtzb3VuZCBwaXRjaCZx dW90Oywgd2hhdCBuZWVkcyB0byBiZSBkb25lIHNvIGtpZHMgY2FuIHVzZSB0aGVpciB2b2ljZXMg dG8gY2hhbmdlIHRoZXNlIHBhcmFtZXRlcnM/PC9kaXY+PGRpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PGRpdj4KU3Rl cGhlbjxicj48YnI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVvdGUiPk9uIFdlZCwgQXByIDIxLCAyMDEw IGF0IDI6NTAgUE0sIEsuIEsuIFN1YnJhbWFuaWFtIDxzcGFuIGRpcj0ibHRyIj4mbHQ7PGEgaHJl Zj0ibWFpbHRvOnN1YmJ1a2tAZ21haWwuY29tIj5zdWJidWtrQGdtYWlsLmNvbTwvYT4mZ3Q7PC9z cGFuPiB3cm90ZTo8YnI+PGJsb2NrcXVvdGUgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIiBzdHlsZT0ibWFy Z2luOjAgMCAwIC44ZXg7Ym9yZGVyLWxlZnQ6MXB4ICNjY2Mgc29saWQ7cGFkZGluZy1sZWZ0OjFl eDsiPgo8ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJpbSI+T24gV2VkbmVzZGF5IDIxIEFwcmlsIDIwMTAgMDU6NDM6MzIg cG0gUml0YSBGcmV1ZGVuYmVyZyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+CiZndDsgLSB3cml0ZSBhbiBFdG95cyBjb29r Ym9vaywgYSBjb2xsZWN0aW9uIG9mIHRpcHMgJmFtcDsgdHJpY2tzIGFib3V0IHdoYXQgeW91IGNh bjxicj4KJmd0OyBkbyB3aXRoaW4gRXRveXM8YnI+CjwvZGl2Pk15IGRhdWdodGVyIHBvaW50ZWQg b3V0IHRoYXQgZHJpdmluZyB3YXMgbW9yZSBmdW4gd2hlbiB0aGUgZm9yd2FyZCBhbmQgdHVybjxi cj4KcGFyYW1ldGVycyBhcmUga2V5ZWQgdG8gV29ybGQtJmd0O3NvdW5kIGxldmVsIGFuZCBwaXRj aC4gU2hlIGdvdCBhIGJ1bmNoIG9mIGtpZHM8YnI+CnRvIHVzZSB0aGVpciB2b2ljZXMgdG8gZHJp dmUgbW9ycGhzIGFyb3VuZC4gWW91IGNhbiBpbWFnaW5lIHRoZSBkaW4gOi0pLjxicj4KPGJyPgpT dWJidTxicj4KPGRpdj48ZGl2PjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9Img1Ij5fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXzxicj4KZXRveXMtZGV2IG1haWxpbmcgbGlz dDxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmV0b3lzLWRldkBzcXVlYWtsYW5kLm9yZyI+ZXRveXMtZGV2 QHNxdWVha2xhbmQub3JnPC9hPjxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLnNxdWVha2xhbmQu b3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZXRveXMtZGV2IiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL2xp c3RzLnNxdWVha2xhbmQub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZXRveXMtZGV2PC9hPjxicj4KPC9k aXY+PC9kaXY+PC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPjwvZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj4K --===============6296213432787746862==-- From rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Thu Apr 22 12:09:09 2010 From: Rita Freudenberg To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] education meeting agenda for today Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:15:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8790298954677098048==" --===============8790298954677098048== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have on the agenda for the education meeting today, 12:30 EDT. * GSoC news * Haiti pilot and lessons * National Summit on Citizen Diplomacy (mail from Kathleen) * Waveplace courseware proposal If you have more topics, please let me know. 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Last night I decided that I need to stay focused on Haiti and our other W= aveplace work, that I no longer have time for the additional responsibilities= of Squeakland. I leave you in the very capable hands of Rita Freudenberg a= nd whomever the new board decides. I still love Etoys, and will continue to teach it and promote it, though this= will now be through Waveplace, not Squeakland. What has been called the "Squ= eakland Courseware" will now become the "Waveplace Courseware". Same stuff,= different website. I will continue to fundraise for courseware development, = this will be through Waveplace now. All materials will remain freely distrib= utable. Immuexa, my software company, will continue to host and support the Squeaklan= d website and showcase for free. Squeakland will now be our client, as View= points was before. My very best to the many people I have meet in the last fifteen months. Tha= nk you for your passion, your time, your talent. What a gift to work with s= uch incredible people! Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============0454950722061497469== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PC9oZWFkPjxib2R5IHN0eWxlPSJ3b3JkLXdyYXA6IGJyZWFrLXdvcmQ7IC13 ZWJraXQtbmJzcC1tb2RlOiBzcGFjZTsgLXdlYmtpdC1saW5lLWJyZWFrOiBhZnRlci13aGl0ZS1z cGFjZTsgIj5IaSBldmVyeW9uZSw8ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkFmdGVyIG11Y2ggc291bCBz ZWFyY2hpbmcsIEkndmUgZGVjaWRlZCB0byBzdGVwIGRvd24gYXMgZGlyZWN0b3Igb2YgU3F1ZWFr bGFuZCBGb3VuZGF0aW9uLiAmbmJzcDs8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlNpbmNlIHRo ZSBlYXJ0aHF1YWtlIGluIEhhaXRpLCBteSB0aW1lIGhhcyBsYXJnZWx5IGJlZW4gc3BlbnQgb24g b3VyIFdhdmVwbGFjZSBlZHVjYXRpb24gcGlsb3RzIHRoZXJlLCB3aGljaCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdmVy eSBzdWNjZXNzZnVsIGFuZCBhcmUgZ3Jvd2luZyBmYXN0LiAmbmJzcDtMYXN0IG5pZ2h0IEkgZGVj 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Never received any notice about anything wrong with it. Children are being invited to a contest of animation projects and would like = to share this example of animation to encourage them. 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Tim On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Carlos Rabassa wrote: > Since last February I have been trying to publish this project: >=20 > Aprendo I Learn 006 B (2010-abr-05 20:00 EDT) > por Carlos Rabassa =20 >=20 > Animation with Wooden Dummy >=20 > Still doesn=C2=B4t show in the showcase. >=20 > Never received any notice about anything wrong with it. >=20 > Children are being invited to a contest of animation projects and would lik= e to share this example of animation to encourage them. >=20 > Thanks for any help or suggestions. =20 > _______________________________________________ > squeakland mailing list > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============4528079214836114020== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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--===============7542401609629382923== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, thank you very much for helping us with the publication of our gym class anim= ation. We needed it to complete this page http://docs.google.com/View?id=3Ddg7q79cx_552hcbdwbcp of the bilingual study guide we started a few months ago. We wanted to publish it now because we just saw the announcement of a contest= of Etoys project in Uruguay. We thought this page and examples could encourage some children to enter the = contest. In a recent posting we put some information about the context, if I read it = correctly entries will be accepted from now up to June 15th. --===============7542401609629382923==-- From subbukk@gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:06:52 2010 From: "K. K. Subramaniam" To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July! Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:36:52 +0530 Message-ID: <201004240736.53283.subbukk@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8536144852540585294==" --===============8536144852540585294== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 22 April 2010 12:28:43 am Steve Thomas wrote: > This sounds like fun. I found the World "sound level" and "sound pitch", > what needs to be done so kids can use their voices to change these > parameters? Sound level is related to volume, so with: forward: world sound level / 10. you can make an etoy move faster by shouting louder or stop it with silence. = If you set: turn by: (World sound pitch - 500) / 100 then you can get it to spin around by screaming or whistling different tunes = at=20 it. Tweak the magic numbers to your taste. The idea here is to help children discover that sound has numeric properties = too and these properties can influence other properties like color, geometry = or=20 motion. Once students get the hang of it, you can introduce the concept of=20 'smoothing'. value =3D previous value*t + current value*(1-t). previous value =3D value. where t is fraction in the range 0 .. 1. Get some ear plugs :-) .. Subbu=20 --===============8536144852540585294==-- From sthomas1@gosargon.com Sat Apr 24 04:38:25 2010 From: Steve Thomas To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July! Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201004240736.53283.subbukk@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6471134826600167447==" --===============6471134826600167447== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subbu, Thanks, I like the idea of 'smoothing" my main question though is how do I get "sound level" and "sound pitch" to change values? On my Mac they are always zero. World Stethoscope seems to work, I'll try that. Thanks, Stephen On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:06 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrot= e: > On Thursday 22 April 2010 12:28:43 am Steve Thomas wrote: > > This sounds like fun. I found the World "sound level" and "sound pitch", > > what needs to be done so kids can use their voices to change these > > parameters? > Sound level is related to volume, so with: > forward: world sound level / 10. > you can make an etoy move faster by shouting louder or stop it with > silence. > If you set: > turn by: (World sound pitch - 500) / 100 > > then you can get it to spin around by screaming or whistling different > tunes at > it. Tweak the magic numbers to your taste. > > The idea here is to help children discover that sound has numeric > properties > too and these properties can influence other properties like color, > geometry or > motion. > > Once students get the hang of it, you can introduce the concept of > 'smoothing'. > > value =3D previous value*t + current value*(1-t). > previous value =3D value. > > where t is fraction in the range 0 .. 1. > > Get some ear plugs :-) .. 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K. Subramaniam" To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July! Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:08:15 +0530 Message-ID: <201004241208.15795.subbukk@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1688669291998769842==" --===============1688669291998769842== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday 24 April 2010 10:08:32 am Steve Thomas wrote: > Thanks, I like the idea of 'smoothing" my main question though is how do I > get "sound level" and "sound pitch" to change values? On my Mac they are > always zero. World Stethoscope seems to work, I'll try that. I don't use Mac that much. I used System Preferences -> Sound -> Input to adjust mic settings to get sound input working in Squeak. HTH .. Subbu --===============1688669291998769842==-- From bert@freudenbergs.de Sat Apr 24 20:11:59 2010 From: Bert Freudenberg To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Accessing sound level (was Re: Join us for a sprint week before Squeakfest in July!) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:10:53 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3488034462384046382==" --===============3488034462384046382== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (please remember to change the subject line when a discussion thread wanders = off the original topic) On 24.04.2010, at 06:38, Steve Thomas wrote: > Subbu, >=20 > Thanks, I like the idea of 'smoothing" my main question though is how do I = get "sound level" and "sound pitch" to change values? On my Mac they are al= ways zero. World Stethoscope seems to work, I'll try that. >=20 > Thanks, > Stephen I can't get it to work on the Mac here, either. But there is a trick I used b= efore: Get a SoundRecorder. Click Record, then Stop, to get it going. Whenever you m= ake noise, the yellow bar will extend. Now here comes the trick: that yellow bar is an object. Make some noise to ma= ke it large enough to click, then get its halo (it's called "Morph1"). Now yo= u can just use its width (from "extended geometry") in another script ... There is a lesson to learn for developers from this: whenever possible, don't= just modify draw routines, use actual objects instead. The "normal" way to p= rogram this would be to paint the bar onto the screen. But when you do that, = it's just pixels, not objects anymore. By making the bar an actual object, it= s properties, such as width, can be accessed. 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I hope that Waveplace extends its activities to South America soon, so you come to visit us again! I am sure we will keep working together and strength partnerships among organizations. As hardware gets less expensive, sooner or later laptops and other kinds of technology will arrive in schools all over. The need for software, knowledge, materials and guidance is growing and getting more evident, we all have tons of work to help technology improve education and children´s life, A good energy for all! Marta De: Timothy Falconer [mailto:teefal(a)squeakland.org] Enviada em: quinta-feira, 22 de abril de 2010 16:26 Para: squeakland(a)squeakland.org Assunto: stepping down from squeakland Hi everyone, After much soul searching, I've decided to step down as director of Squeakland Foundation. Since the earthquake in Haiti, my time has largely been spent on our Waveplace education pilots there, which have been very successful and are growing fast. Last night I decided that I need to stay focused on Haiti and our other Waveplace work, that I no longer have time for the additional responsibilities of Squeakland. I leave you in the very capable hands of Rita Freudenberg and whomever the new board decides. I still love Etoys, and will continue to teach it and promote it, though this will now be through Waveplace, not Squeakland. What has been called the "Squeakland Courseware" will now become the "Waveplace Courseware". Same stuff, different website. I will continue to fundraise for courseware development, this will be through Waveplace now. All materials will remain freely distributable. Immuexa, my software company, will continue to host and support the Squeakland website and showcase for free. Squeakland will now be our client, as Viewpoints was before. My very best to the many people I have meet in the last fifteen months. Thank you for your passion, your time, your talent. What a gift to work with such incredible people! Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer Squeakland Foundation http://squeakland.org 610-797-3100 -- "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do." ... piaget --===============5197924044944778524== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PGh0bWwgeG1sbnM6dj0idXJuOnNjaGVtYXMtbWljcm9zb2Z0LWNvbTp2bWwiIHhtbG5zOm89InVy bjpzY2hlbWFzLW1pY3Jvc29mdC1jb206b2ZmaWNlOm9mZmljZSIgeG1sbnM6dz0idXJuOnNjaGVt YXMtbWljcm9zb2Z0LWNvbTpvZmZpY2U6d29yZCIgeG1sbnM6bT0iaHR0cDovL3NjaGVtYXMubWlj cm9zb2Z0LmNvbS9vZmZpY2UvMjAwNC8xMi9vbW1sIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcv VFIvUkVDLWh0bWw0MCI+Cgo8aGVhZD4KPG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGUgY29u dGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWlzby04ODU5LTEiPgo8bWV0YSBuYW1lPUdlbmVyYXRv ciBjb250ZW50PSJNaWNyb3NvZnQgV29yZCAxMiAoZmlsdGVyZWQgbWVkaXVtKSI+CjxzdHlsZT4K PCEtLQogLyogRm9udCBEZWZpbml0aW9ucyAqLwogQGZvbnQtZmFjZQoJe2ZvbnQtZmFtaWx5Okhl 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Follow this link to see th= e time in your local time zone: http://tinyurl.com/3xfx4es To participate, enter your name as nickname on http://chat.squeakland.org/ and press "Login". Then say hi :-) Alternatively, use an IRC client of your choice to join #etoys on irc.freenod= e.net=20 Everyone is welcome! - Bert - --===============0517506727396939303==-- From bert@freudenbergs.de Tue Apr 27 00:10:44 2010 From: Bert Freudenberg To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Etoys developer chat log Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 02:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: <8B650E43-C053-4CE8-9C52-6056719D909A@freudenbergs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1999836427427891329==" --===============1999836427427891329== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, we had another nice chat today. Topics included * what does @HELP achieve in the #etoys channel * how to fix up the ancestry of Monticello packages we create * and what to do about remaining packaging differences * how to get more reliable #etoys logs (perhaps same as #squeak?) * how to call next release? The update stream uses "etoys4.1" for now, the bu= g tracker "etoys 2010". "Etoys 5" would be an option too. Discussion welcome. * lack of documentation on extending Etoys, or even of its overall design * progress on User Manual * discussing Ricardo's GSoC project (Randy will set up a Google Group) * Maybe move all Squeakland mailing lists and forums to Google? would get rid= of the forum spam issues Next chat will be next Monday, same time and place. But the channel is open 2= 4/7, you can try to catch us any time (and use @ALL or @HELP to get our atten= tion). Full log below. Once we have regular logging I won't have to spam the list wi= th this anymore ... - Bert - hi all hi hi folks --> hilaire (~hilaire(a)bon74-1-88-184-136-97.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #eto= ys hi Randy: try a longer nick name, append soem characters hello hello "randy" is probably registered to another person <-> Guest85605 is now known as randycat that worked randycat: nice :)=20 cool, so let's start did anyone try the updates? The official notice of Richo's google award will be any minute - I= hope nothing changed yes, that's awesome. I hear there was quite some discussion at ESUG w= hich projects to support, right? it was tense but he's doing great, good choice bertf: ah, good call does anyone have anything specific we need to talk about? --> squeaker761 (~40379e74(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has joined #etoys kencausey: you mean the web irc thing or what? "maintain" yes, the web chat client <-> squeaker761 is now known as bander ah, bander, hi hi kencausey: well it;s working for now just listening today :-) true bander: good luck with that. ;) kencausey: also, tim said he will continue to maintain the servers fo= r now sure What does the @HELP prefix actually do? it makes my icon bounce ;) For example, does the bot suggest alternate help sources? Unfort= unately people that use it rarely get answered. we all entered that as custom-highlight to our clients nothing to do with the bot ah, I see, not bot related then bander: I did have a question for you I published a recategorization to the update stream sure but comparing teh packages now to the trunk ones there are still a lo= t of differences like, where did flash go? No clue. 3.9 road kill? We should restore it do you think we should just make our own packages now? without ancest= ry? I thought about "adopting" some existing packages How about adopting an older version? :) I thought about doing that with the earlies ones I can find in the 39a repo The alternative is to move it into separate packages flash you mean Yes seems like the better plan to me --> BackOrder (~4ad28298(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has joined #etoys I can look at that if it helps it's time to transition to the core releases plus a basic built f= rom the core with packages added then etoys can start with the core and go from there yeah. well. I was so happy to have a reasonably categorized version t= oday at 4 am that I published it sure kencausey: yes that is the long-tem plan bander: that would be excellent -*- saijanai_ unlurks and starts reading backlog I'll see if I can find some time this week at least now we have some good tools to work with -*- kencausey resists talking about non-etoys issues good boy ;) BackOrder: hi - do we know you? IanT perhaps? no idea, that nick doesn't ring a bell in any case I want this to be done asap so we can start integrating t= he actual patches lingering on the tracker Actually, I think we should keep the current version of the Flash pa= ckage in the Etoys repo for the time being oh definitely I want all packages to at least have a copy in the etoys repo Sounds reasonable so the etoys release will only contain packages from there which might have a master elsewhere but still bertf: in Portugal, they are using an old Etoys version, 3.9 but they= want move to Etoys 4.0. They say they did some work on the older version and= the biggest problem is to do it all again for the new Etoys. What would you = recommend for them to so? And especially, is the new update stream helping th= ere? will any of the changes you are planning effect what Ricardo Moran= creates for GSoC? ritaf: depends on what work they did bertf: I don't know the details, I will ask. bertf: maybe I shold just invite Luis for the next meeting ritaf: the best thing to do would be to get them involved in the dev= process randycat: shouldn't. we're not planning to do any big changes for thi= s summer's release randycat: what we're talking about is just a different way to organiz= e the code, not actually modifying teh code itself not in a big way anyhow sorry folks, gotta run - eliot's dragging me out for lunch --> karlram (~51aa9a7e(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has joined #etoys hello bander: thanks for stopping by hi karlram karlram: hi. awesome :) hi you just missed andreas, we were talking about the new packages ah kencausey: do you have an idea for better loggin this channel? Hi guys! Yes, I am Ian Trudel. :) will there be logs ? hi karlram: sure cool bertf: well, we might be able to invite clog as long as you want = total logging and not something directly controllable. karlram: I just emailed you the backlog thanks that woudl put logs at tunes.org/~nef/logs/ kencausey: that would be awesome. just like for #squeak right? BackOrder: Hi Ian bertf: yes, trick is remembering who to contact I decided to take a peek in this chatroom after Bert's invitation= on Squeak-Dev. Brian Rice might know, shall I look into it? kencausey: please, yes. thanks I removed the broken "sm" log link from the topic today ok, logs, there was somethign else I wanted to ask ... ah, yes. karlram: I notiuced you added changesets to the tracker but= did not mark teh issues "resolved" are you happy with the way the tracker works now? or with the way we're using it? the process is a little unclear well we're abusing the system let me dig out the link i'm not sure what the diffrent thing stand for http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/Process well it's unfortunate that they do not mean what they usually mean ok, i'll read that <-- BackOrder (~4ad28298(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping = timeout)) that's how we tried to operate, though it wasn't working too well I t= hink but etoys 5 is our next release ? next target to me it feels more liek a minor release --> BackOrder (~ian(a)130-152.sh.cgocable.ca) has joined #etoys got to go soon. Copy of my notes re AV on Ubuntu Karmic (will be on s= wiki alter in the week): http://pastebin.com/J5E1jgK1 matmo: thanks ! it minor in some ways major if we get it up to squeak 4.1 no chance :-) there are way too many issues to make that leap that soon :) ok question: is anyone working on how to make it easier to extend et= oys? I'm just trying to nibble around the edges and it looks somewhat daunting so the development version we're working on now I'd like to call 4.1.= =20 And I would say there is work to be done on the Squeak side as well, = so it would be better to aim for Squeak 4.2 or something like that saijanai_: no one really. help welcome :) well, I'd like to, but I'm slow at digesting, so no promises name the issues you have with extending ? sure. but let us know where you feel you're hitting a wall getting started is the first issue. NOt sure where to start almost everythignis possible, but seldomly obvious and sometimes not = trivial there should be some example project around.... saijanai_: you wanted to add your own tiles IIRC right? right. I think you were the one who sent me info on the GSoC proj= ect? or was that someone else? not sure if youre not the one doing the work ont eh GSoC then it was someo= ne else :-) the work is dan by Ricardo s/dan/done/ ah, OK, so Ricardo is the one who sent me the info Ricardo is posting his progress on SqueakSource there is a lot of oral history around squeak ... some things seem to never have been written up many things and by the time someone tries, they've changed beyond recognition= , or such is my impression which is both good and bad - good because the system is evolving, bad= because it's harder to catch up how's the etoys book coming along? the ref manual? y ritaf would know last time I checked it looked pretty good bertf:true but it is a user's manual, not a developer's one we have most of the text done, now one issue is formatting, so that i= t is better to read and then reviewing. kencausey: do you know which paper outlined the general principles of= Etoys? like, the fat object model etc yeah, I've got many plans concerning etoys. The Scratch in Second= Life could be extended in many ways (direct manipulation of prims via packet= injection instead of LSL scripts, for example) saijanai_: basically, in etoys you only have a a single kind of objec= t. no classes/inheritance etc. that object is called "Player" right. Based off of the Self design, with much kludging to make i= t work in Squeak everything you want to be scriptable, you must add to Player OK, sorta got that from what Ricardo told me no, Morphic comes from Self, but Etoys is yet another layer There is an indirection compared to Self - a Player may have several = Costumes ah, OK. my bad right, what jecel said so when you make an Etoys script it looks liek you are working with a= morph, but in fact you are working with a Player bertf: I want to start a place where teachers and developers can d= ownload and discuss Ricardo's tools. What do you think about Google Groups? bertf: no, jecel? -*- kencausey checks new blue book hmm, too old perhapos randycat: hmm. good question I'm willing to participate in such a discussion groiup. kencausey: I have never read a paper about the Etoys architecture, bu= t did see one about Tweak which has some features in common I posted a simple changeset that adds camera tracking to Etoys on E= toys-dev randycat: you think the squeakland list would be inappropriate? jecel: yeah, I'm not sure what paper bertf is refering too kencausey: maybe the one in my head ;) must be some paper from Alan is the squeakland list still linked to some web forums? we'd have to ask Scott he has some stuff on the vpri.org jecel: yes, though they are just spam repositories I though Google Groups might be more approachable by teachers and = easier to archive. bertf: I was afraid of that randycat: then we have a problem with the squeakland list, which is s= upposed to be approachable by teachers randycat: I like running our own tools whenever possible, but goo= gle groups seems reasonable for this case. http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton/ESUG/ESUG.html is the link Ricar= do sent me saianai> ask question on etoys-dev mail list when you run into issus issues that's how I got the link :-) randycat: how about moving the whole squeakland list to google groups= ? (just speculating, not actually proposing it yet) ritaf: any comment? ^^^ saijanai: I set u that link, but it is just a web page Ricardo? thanks saijanai_: Ricardo is doing the work, and Randy is mentoring him bertf: let me think about that. I don't know yet what that would mean. ah, OK. Misread who sent what to whom then thanks anyways :-) ritaf: well for one it would mean we don't have to maintain the lists= on our own bertf: can the squeakland list do all that Google Groups can in on= e environment? also, google is good about filtering spam randycat: I have no idea, I'm not too familiar with google groups google can require membership so you can just ban spammers I think bertf: picking your battles seems like a good idea to me, running= your own listserv is a bit of time sink bertf is there much spam on squeakland lists ? The Cobalt people use google groups and there is a new Smalltalk Rese= arch list there karlram: no, but on the forums there is ok, i never use the frums forums.... does google groups have a forums-like view? --> scottwal (~scottwal(a)99-40-5-235.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has jo= ined #etoys oh, hi scottwal :) hi hi! [only here for a couple of moments -- have to head back out := -( ] we were wondering if there was a paper about the general architecture= of Etoys? Almost surely not... Yes, you can use google groups as a web forum (I do for over half of = the list there in which I participate) or any documentation really bertf: Google groups has custom web pages, discussion threads, upl= oad and download files - all in one package jecel: that sounds like a win bertf: google groups can be used entirely through the web, so I t= hink it supplants the idea of a web forum right. I'd love to have something I can use either as mailign list or= as forum I have to read books to my daugther... Bye that sounds nice to me. karlram: thanks and I have to pick up my daughter from the airport... Bye <-- karlram (~51aa9a7e(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) I participate in an equal number of lists at yahoo groups and it is p= retty reasonable too thanks to you too scott3 bye scott! <-- scottwal (~scottwal(a)99-40-5-235.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has qu= it (Client Quit) jecel do you see any advantage to yahoo? (I've never seen it I guess) Google seems like a better choice from a stability standpoint, at= least this year bertf: ESUG uses Google Groups randycat: seems like a win to me bertf: I started the self-interest list on eGroups and that got bough= t by Yahoo. I think the two alternatives are roughly equivalent okay. Who volunteers to set this up? bertf: I will randycat: for the gsoc you mean yes bye all okay. I meant moving over the squeakland list and archives etc. bertf: we could try it for gsoc and see how we like it (assuming archives can be imported) randycat: good idea One great thing about the yahoo groups (google might have this too, b= ut I am not an administrator for any list there) is that you can moderate jus= t the first email from each new user, and once you see they are not spammers = you let them post without moderation jecel: that's a feature we wanted to have for a long time Yeah, that reduces my workload to one email to look at every two weeks ritaf: can you ask marta how she would feel about moving the america-= latina list? these are the lists we currently have http://lists.squeakland.org/mai= lman/listinfo bertf: ok well, excellent. thanks guys - anything else we would want to discuss= today? Just checked with John Dougan. Google has the same feature regard= ing moderation jecel: I just checked - there are management tools for postings saijanai_: thanks matmo: thanks! randycat: great! bertf: should I set up a Goggle Group for GSoC - once Ricardo's aw= ard is official? randycat: yes please. sounds like a good experiment I need someone to lead this discussion next week - I'll be in the air. OK - goodbye everyone and thanks thanks randycat. bye <-- randycat (~cebcff48(a)skylab.immuexa.com) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) or just come here next Monday, same place and time, and have a nice c= hat :) thanks everyone! cheers So long, folks. :) --===============1999836427427891329==-- From korakurider@gmail.com Tue Apr 27 03:20:50 2010 From: Korakurider To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Google Group Re: [squeakland] Etoys developer chat log Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:20:56 +0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4490719999503139279==" --===============4490719999503139279== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg wr= ote: > * Maybe move all Squeakland mailing lists and forums to Google? would get r= id of the forum spam issues Really? My recent experience was bad because of spam mails. See also http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ /Korakurider --===============4490719999503139279==-- From rcaton@cnu.edu Tue Apr 27 04:48:10 2010 From: Randall Caton To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Google Group Re: [squeakland] Etoys developer chat log Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:48:17 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4503018303662632393==" --===============4503018303662632393== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Korakurider, I was planning to set up a Google Group for the GSoC project only and it would be a test. I would restrict the group to invited members. After reading the blog that seems the best move. What does the group think? If it doesn't work, we can abandon it. Randy Caton On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Korakurider wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: > > * Maybe move all Squeakland mailing lists and forums to Google? would get > rid of the forum spam issues > > Really? My recent experience was bad because of spam mails. > See also http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ > > /Korakurider > _______________________________________________ > squeakland mailing list > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- The views expressed in this email are my own and not necessarily those of CNU. Randall Caton 41596 Bald Eagle Drive Bigfork, MN 56628 218-832-3490 email: rcaton(a)cnu.edu web: www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton --===============4503018303662632393== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 RGVhciBLb3Jha3VyaWRlciw8YnI+PGJyPkkgd2FzIHBsYW5uaW5nIHRvIHNldCB1cCBhIEdvb2ds ZSBHcm91cCBmb3IgdGhlIEdTb0MgcHJvamVjdCBvbmx5IGFuZCBpdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBhIHRlc3Qu IEkgd291bGQgcmVzdHJpY3QgdGhlIGdyb3VwIHRvIGludml0ZWQgbWVtYmVycy4gQWZ0ZXIgcmVh ZGluZyB0aGUgYmxvZyB0aGF0IHNlZW1zIHRoZSBiZXN0IG1vdmUuIFdoYXQgZG9lcyB0aGUgZ3Jv dXAgdGhpbms/IElmIGl0IGRvZXNuJiMzOTt0IHdvcmssIHdlIGNhbiBhYmFuZG9uIGl0Ljxicj4K PGJyPlJhbmR5IENhdG9uPGJyPjxicj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9xdW90ZSI+T24gTW9uLCBB cHIgMjYsIDIwMTAgYXQgMTA6MjAgUE0sIEtvcmFrdXJpZGVyIDxzcGFuIGRpcj0ibHRyIj4mbHQ7 PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRvOmtvcmFrdXJpZGVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbSI+a29yYWt1cmlkZXJAZ21haWwu Y29tPC9hPiZndDs8L3NwYW4+IHdyb3RlOjxicj48YmxvY2txdW90ZSBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfcXVv dGUiIHN0eWxlPSJib3JkZXItbGVmdDogMXB4IHNvbGlkIHJnYigyMDQsIDIwNCwgMjA0KTsgbWFy Z2luOiAwcHQgMHB0IDBwdCAwLjhleDsgcGFkZGluZy1sZWZ0OiAxZXg7Ij4KT24gVHVlLCBBcHIg MjcsIDIwMTAgYXQgOTowOSBBTSwgQmVydCBGcmV1ZGVuYmVyZyAmbHQ7PGEgaHJlZj0ibWFpbHRv OmJlcnRAZnJldWRlbmJlcmdzLmRlIj5iZXJ0QGZyZXVkZW5iZXJncy5kZTwvYT4mZ3Q7IHdyb3Rl Ojxicj4KJmd0OyAqIE1heWJlIG1vdmUgYWxsIFNxdWVha2xhbmQgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0cyBhbmQg Zm9ydW1zIHRvIEdvb2dsZT8gd291bGQgZ2V0IHJpZCBvZiB0aGUgZm9ydW0gc3BhbSBpc3N1ZXM8 YnI+Cjxicj4KUmVhbGx5PyCgTXkgcmVjZW50IGV4cGVyaWVuY2Ugd2FzIGJhZCBiZWNhdXNlIG9m IHNwYW0gbWFpbHMuPGJyPgpTZWUgYWxzbyA8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vZWpvaG4ub3JnL2Jsb2cv Z29vZ2xlLWdyb3Vwcy1pcy1kZWFkLyIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly9lam9obi5vcmcv YmxvZy9nb29nbGUtZ3JvdXBzLWlzLWRlYWQvPC9hPjxicj4KPGZvbnQgY29sb3I9IiM4ODg4ODgi Pjxicj4KL0tvcmFrdXJpZGVyPGJyPgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fXzxicj4Kc3F1ZWFrbGFuZCBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3Q8YnI+CjxhIGhyZWY9Im1h aWx0bzpzcXVlYWtsYW5kQHNxdWVha2xhbmQub3JnIj5zcXVlYWtsYW5kQHNxdWVha2xhbmQub3Jn PC9hPjxicj4KPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLnNxdWVha2xhbmQub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlz dGluZm8vc3F1ZWFrbGFuZCIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5zcXVlYWtsYW5k Lm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3NxdWVha2xhbmQ8L2E+PGJyPgo8L2ZvbnQ+PC9ibG9ja3F1 b3RlPjwvZGl2Pjxicj48YnIgY2xlYXI9ImFsbCI+PGJyPi0tIDxicj5UaGUgdmlld3MgZXhwcmVz c2VkIGluIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgYXJlIG15IG93bjxicj5hbmQgbm90IG5lY2Vzc2FyaWx5IHRob3Nl IG9mIENOVS48YnI+PGJyPlJhbmRhbGwgQ2F0b248YnI+NDE1OTYgQmFsZCBFYWdsZSBEcml2ZTxi cj5CaWdmb3JrLCBNTiA1NjYyODxicj4yMTgtODMyLTM0OTA8YnI+Cjxicj5lbWFpbDogPGEgaHJl Zj0ibWFpbHRvOnJjYXRvbkBjbnUuZWR1Ij5yY2F0b25AY251LmVkdTwvYT48YnI+d2ViOiA8YSBo cmVmPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBjcy5jbnUuZWR1L35yY2F0b24iPnd3dy5wY3MuY251LmVkdS9+cmNh dG9uPC9hPjxicj4K --===============4503018303662632393==-- From korakurider@gmail.com Tue Apr 27 05:44:58 2010 From: Korakurider To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: Google Group Re: [squeakland] Etoys developer chat log Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:45:06 +0900 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5184301383155225686==" --===============5184301383155225686== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Randall Caton wrote: > Dear Korakurider, > > I was planning to set up a Google Group for the GSoC project only and it > would be a test. I would restrict the group to invited members. After > reading the blog that seems the best move. What does the group think? If it > doesn't work, we can abandon it. Randall, my experience and comment was about public forum, not about closed group like your GSoC project. It could be managed to run well if only invited member can participate. /Korakurider > > Randy Caton > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Korakurider wro= te: >> >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg >> wrote: >> > * Maybe move all Squeakland mailing lists and forums to Google? would >> > get rid of the forum spam issues >> >> Really? =C2=A0My recent experience was bad because of spam mails. >> See also http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ >> >> /Korakurider >> _______________________________________________ >> squeakland mailing list >> squeakland(a)squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > -- > The views expressed in this email are my own > and not necessarily those of CNU. > > Randall Caton > 41596 Bald Eagle Drive > Bigfork, MN 56628 > 218-832-3490 > > email: rcaton(a)cnu.edu > web: www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton > --===============5184301383155225686==-- From bert@freudenbergs.de Tue Apr 27 09:27:29 2010 From: Bert Freudenberg To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Re: Google Group Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5599008598981340776==" --===============5599008598981340776== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27.04.2010, at 07:45, Korakurider wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Randall Caton wrote: >> Dear Korakurider, >>=20 >> I was planning to set up a Google Group for the GSoC project only and it >> would be a test. I would restrict the group to invited members. After >> reading the blog that seems the best move. What does the group think? If it >> doesn't work, we can abandon it. >=20 > Randall, > my experience and comment was about public forum, not about closed > group like your GSoC project. It could be managed to run well if only > invited member can participate. >=20 > /Korakurider Someone mentioned it was possible to moderate the first post of any new membe= r. That should be rather effective against spam. But what we're really looking for is something that can be used as web forum = as well as mailing list, sans spam. We had to shut down our own forums-list g= ateway because of the spam issues in the forums. But that makes the forums in= effective, since the most active contributors read only the mailing list, not= the forums. Google groups sounded like it might be a good solution. But alternative ideas= are welcome :) - Bert - >>=20 >> Randy Caton >>=20 >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Korakurider wr= ote: >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Bert Freudenberg >>> wrote: >>>> * Maybe move all Squeakland mailing lists and forums to Google? would >>>> get rid of the forum spam issues >>>=20 >>> Really? My recent experience was bad because of spam mails. >>> See also http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ >>>=20 >>> /Korakurider >>> _______________________________________________ >>> squeakland mailing list >>> squeakland(a)squeakland.org >>> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> The views expressed in this email are my own >> and not necessarily those of CNU. >>=20 >> Randall Caton >> 41596 Bald Eagle Drive >> Bigfork, MN 56628 >> 218-832-3490 >>=20 >> email: rcaton(a)cnu.edu >> web: www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > squeakland mailing list > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland --===============5599008598981340776==-- From hilaire.fernandes@edu.ge.ch Thu Apr 29 06:02:04 2010 From: Hilaire Fernandes To: squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeakland] Test for DrGeo Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:02:11 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1017508236353525115==" --===============1017508236353525115== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Request for test with Etoys Monticello enabled I have made a lot of change to the drgeo code base: a better user interface, simplification of the interface... 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