&gt; The site needs to be reorganized ...<br><br>I&#39;ve written a few blogs about frustrations of getting started with Etoys / Squeak and also one comparing Etoys / Squeak with Mark Overmar&#39;s Game Maker program<br><br>
<a href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/frustrating-but-eventually-successful.html">http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/frustrating-but-eventually-successful.html</a><br><a href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/guide-to-learning-etoys-squeak.html">
http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/guide-to-learning-etoys-squeak.html</a><br><a href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/comparing-game-maker-with-etoys-squeak.html">http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/04/comparing-game-maker-with-etoys-squeak.html
</a><br><br>I&#39;d have to say that the disorganisation of the Squeakland site is a very big barrier to the initial uptake. The only reason I persevered was because of my strong interest in the ideas of the originator. <br>
<br>I have now bought the Rose / Allen-Conn book and another one by Stephane Ducasse but you ought to be able to explore most of the features of Etoys easily from materials available at the website. <br><br>-- <br>Bill Kerr
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On 5/26/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brad Fuller</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:brad@bradfuller.com">brad@bradfuller.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Alan Kay wrote:<br>&gt; Let&#39;s see, Oct 31st 2006 to May 25th 2007 seems to be 7 months, not 18 ...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But you are certainly right that much more documentation is needed.<br>&gt; And, it is actually happening, just slower than hoped. But more of
<br>&gt; various kinds is close to being postable, and will be this summer.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; There is also a lot more documentation than you think on the<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.squeakland.org">http://www.squeakland.org
</a><br>&gt; site. The site needs to be reorganized, but for example, there are<br>&gt; literally hundreds of pages of documentation, tutorials, curricula,<br>&gt; etc., done by the very active group at the U of Illinois. And there
<br>&gt; is quite a bit of &quot;other&quot; documentation. There is a book &quot;Powerful<br>&gt; Ideas in the Classroom&quot; with a dozen or so sequential projects for<br>&gt; 5th graders, etc.<br>&gt;<br>I can state that the book is very good!
<br>The site does need major overhaul, but you can find things if you poke<br>around a bit.<br><br>--<br>brad fuller<br> +1 (408) 799-6124<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Squeakland mailing list<br>
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