> Zulq> In VW, where initialize isn't called by default, I do this all the time: > Zulq> new > Zulq> ^ self new initialize > > You mean "basicNew", unless you like infinite loops. :) No infinite loops, but bad enough: you call #initialize twice for every new object. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch