[Seaside] About SToR

[Roger Whitney]

Stef,
	I am on my way to the airport & will be traveling for three weeks. I  
will get back to you on this when I get back.

On Jul 29, 2006, at 3:38 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:

> Hi roger
>
> I would really to know your experience with seaside for the same  
> kind of problem.
> And also I would love to know what should be done to get a "django"  
> for Squeak.
>
> Stef
>
> On 28 juil. 06, at 21:36, Roger Whitney wrote:
>
>> Others have given very good reasons not to do this: existing OR  
>> mapping layers, object-databases, problems with mapping complex  
>> objects structures to relational databases, problems with  
>> continuations holding objects, etc. I am not arguing against these.
>>
>> But while I have been doing some web development I have not used  
>> Seaside for a long time :(. I have been using Django. It has a  
>> simple OR layer, with all the problems others have mentioned. I  
>> have to deal with Python, which I am not very fond of, crummy  
>> environments, poor IDEs, no interactive debugging, etc.  All the  
>> while wishing I was using Seaside. But I use Django because once I  
>> define my "object models" (really just simple OR mappings - talk  
>> about a mixed up object model) Django generates the database  
>> tables and an administration site to enter data and manage users,  
>> which saves time. For simple projects I am more than 1/2 done at  
>> this point. Most of the stuff I have been doing is simple enough  
>> that the problems people mention are not an issue.
>>
>> Of course except for one project that looks like it may push the  
>> boundary on what is easy to do in Django. So do I rewrite the app  
>> in Seaside? Well at this point I have already invested time in the  
>> Django, is it worth switching? These frameworks take some effort  
>> to master. Just look at all the questions on this list about how  
>> to do X in Seaside. The details of Django are fresh in my head,  
>> details of using Seaside are not so fresh. It would take sometime  
>> to become proficient again partially offsetting Seaside's  
>> advantages. So as a result Seaside looses mind share. I think what  
>> Stephane is saying we should try to make it easy for people to do  
>> simple things in Seaside so we can gain some mind share.
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:54 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
>>
>>>>> I was wondering if it would not make a lot of sense to have a  
>>>>> small framework called STOR that mimic (especially the  
>>>>> persistency part of RoR) in seaside and magritte.
>>>>> It seems to me that lot of people are doing simple application  
>>>>> and that the persistance is really important there.
>>>>> What do you think about that?
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Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
whitney at cs.sdsu.edu        San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/   San Diego, CA 92182-7720
(619) 583-1978
(619) 594-3535 (office)
(619) 594-6746 (fax)