[Seaside] OSCON report
stephane ducasse
stephane.ducasse at free.fr
Sun Jul 30 18:10:00 UTC 2006
Please do it and ask to get this image publish on seaside.st
Stef
On 30 juil. 06, at 17:36, Ramon Leon wrote:
>> - The browser
>> - The workspace
>> - Saving, loading, and merging in Monticello
>> - The basics of Seaside (a revamped "Walk on the Seaside"
>> tutorial would be fine)
>> Avi
>
> You're absolutely correct, but I think you need to cover a little
> more ground on Smalltalk...
>
> - A small lesson in image style development and maintenance, this
> is a HUGE change for them and needs to be addressed. For a newbie
> the image is far to easy to crash and recovering changes from the
> change log isn't something that just jumps out at you, I lost quite
> a bit of code before discovering the change log.
>
> - Publishing a Seaside app using Apache/Stunnel. They'll freak
> when they find out Squeak can't do SSL natively, best to
> acknowledge that early and get them thinking of Seaside as sort of
> a dynamic page generation framework that you use in conjunction
> with Apache/Stunnel. If they're coming from a windows background
> where "lot's of little tools that work well together" is not how
> things are normally done, they're going to expect Squeak to do
> everything, I did.
>
> If you do a custom image, there's a few packages that I think a web
> developer would appreciate pre-installed beyond Seaside/Scriptaculous
>
> - KeyBinder
> - ODBC
> - PieChart
> - PlotMorph
> - Shout
> - eCompletion
> - SoapCoreClient
> - Yaxo
>
> With maybe a few pre-bound hot keys to get the environment going
> for them, say for launching Monticello, or maybe opening a browser/
> transcript/workspace and sizing them appropriately giving it a more
> traditional IDE feel. Make them feel more comfortable until they
> get a deeper grasp on how all this stuff really works. Maybe even
> Cee's Refractoring Browser with most of the Smalltalk categories
> hidden and only Seaside categories visible initially, might make it
> seem less daunting.
>
> I think there is a mainstream audience for Seaside as well, I've
> been showing it off at work lately and interest seems high, people
> are sick of traditional style web development, most just don't know
> better things exist. It'd be nice if Smalltalk made a resurgence
> by showing them the way. I know I'm hooked, this is the language
> for me, nothing else even comes close.
>
>
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