[Seaside] Seaside / smalltalk: tools and scalability

[Chris Muller]

I forgot to mention one other of my favorite features:
code-formatting in the "Rectangular Block" style (press Shift+Alt+S).

On 4/17/07, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> For 3.9, I've built an image with lots of bug fixes and IDE
> improvements.  It has working refactoring*, syntax highlighting,
> auto-completion, method tracing, type-inferring navigation, reduced
> browser proliferation, and invertible-color brightness (e.g., white on
> black).  It's a good-looking and very productive development image.
>
> I've not shared it, but I should.  I've just uploaded it to my
> personal page on the swiki.
>
>   http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2989
>
> Good luck.
>
>  - Chris
>
> * The "classic" refactoring features appended to the standard menus
> work.  The 3.9 cascaded menu with refactoring options do not seem to
> be finished..
>
>
> On 4/17/07, Jared Nuzzolillo <jared at protoscript.net> wrote:
> > Greetings friends.
> >
> > As a web developer and passionate programmer, I am completely enamored with
> > dynamic languages. Sadly, I have little experience with smalltalk. I've
> > written some toy smalltalk code in the past, but most of my relevant
> > knowledge derives from my ruby experience and smalltalk reading material.
> > I've been considering delving back into smalltalk, but recent changes at
> > work have encouraged me to delve into it sooner rather than later.
> >
> > To get started, I skimmed some tutorials, watched some videos and downloaded
> > the Developer Image mentioned on this page:
> > http://seaside.st/Download/Images/.
> >
> >  So, here are some questions:
> >
> > 1. Should refactoring using the R button on the Class Browser work? As a
> > test, I tried to rename the stop method of the WAKom class? I get an error
> > message to the effect of "doesNotUnderstand #getArgumentPermutation". Is
> > there some other image I should use? I am running windows for development. I
> > am open to using another, free VM instead of Squeak, if it works better out
> > of the box. I need a rich class and method browser, refactoring, debugging,
> > syntax highlighting and preferably code completion. I don't mind installing
> > "packages" to the image either.
> >
> > 2. Are there any examples of Seaside (or another, similar smalltalk based
> > server) running heavy-load sites? What is the largest (in terms of load)
> > site and what sort of traffic does it receive (or alexa rating if
> > available)? Is it trivial to set up? Part of this exercise is to determine
> > whether moving to Smalltalk is a viable solution performance-wise as opposed
> > to moving to java as is currently being planned by my employer.
> >
> > 3. I absolutely need to have good source control that will work for, say,
> > two dozen developers working on one project. Is there some thing nice that
> > works with #1 above?
> >
> > 4. Is there any educational material I just "have to" devour? A video?
> > Tutorial or pdf? A classic text?
> >
> > Thank you, all. I am really exciting to begin this journey, and I hoping to
> > get a head start from your collective wisdom.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jared
> >
> > ps. I realize 1 and 3 are somewhat off topic, but, since I thought there
> > might be a "turnkey" (hate that word ;)) solution, I thought it'd be ok to
> > ask.
> >
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