[Seaside] gemstone / appliance / ISP options

[James Foster]

Giorgio,

There are actually two, unrelated issues, here. First, "itsme123" 
thought that GLASS would be available only through VMware. I saw that 
and jumped in with the answer that he/she did not need VMware. As you 
point out, however, the other (probally more important) question is what 
hosting options are available (without regard to how it is actually 
installed).

My perception is that "shared" hosting is available for more traditional 
usage patterns (Apache, Perl, PHP, MYSQL), but less available for 
non-traditional and 64-bigt applications (including Seaside). Further, 
my perception is that "shared" vs. "dedicated" is simply a shorthand for 
whether you have root access and how much of the machine can you use (my 
guess is that even a "dedicated" machine is rarely a separate box but is 
almost certainly a virtual machine inside a much larger box). Thus, the 
most ultimate question is "What will it cost?" not "What name does the 
hosting company apply to service?"

Note that there is nothing to prevent someone in the community from 
leasing a dedicated machine, and subleasing portions of it to others. I 
assume that this is what is happening at http://www.seasidehosting.st/ 
(which provides free hosting for non-commercial Squeak Seaside 
applications).

James


giorgio ferraris wrote:
> James,
>
> If I'm not wrong, this is just one of the two options itsme213 pointed
> at: dedicated host.
> I have the suspect that this is the only option for having a seaside
> app running on the WEB, will it be a Gemstone, VW, Squeak or Dolphin
> based one.
> I would like to be wrong.
> Someone know of other ways?
>
> Ciao
>
> Giorgio
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2007 9:34 AM, James Foster <Smalltalk at jgfoster.net> wrote:
>   
>> itsme213 wrote:
>>     
>>> I've been asking some ISPs what hosting options they have to run a VMWare
>>> appliance (afaik that is the only way gemstone/s web edition will be
>>> available). So far the ones I have asked have all said either (a) look
>>> elsewhere, or (b) dedicated hosting only.
>>>
>>> Is it true that this will not even be runnable (on typical ISPs) on VPS
>>> hosting programs? Any ideas on ISPs to consider?
>>>
>>>       
>> The VMware appliance is a way to get a pre-configured GLASS (GemStone,
>> Linux, Apache, Seaside, Smalltalk). While we expect that it will be an
>> attractive way for most people to try out GLASS, you will have the
>> option of doing all the setup and configuration yourself--if that is
>> what you want/need. In that case, the thing to ask for when looking for
>> hosting plans is simply "64-bit Linux." For example, I just did a Google
>> search for "64-bit Linux hosting" that led me to
>> http://www.calpop.com/dedicated.html which offers root access to a Core
>> 2 Duo with Ubuntu 64-bit Linux for $135/month.
>>
>> James Foster
>>
>> P.S. Do you have a name you are willing to share?
>>
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